Saturday, March 21, 2020

It's A Hoax! It's Just Like The Flu!

h/t Peter

I hope this scares the shit out of you, wherever you are, and whenever you watch it. Maybe that'll finally be enough to shut up the naysayers  that're too smart to believe this thing might be a problem, beyond maybe their 401K (if they can count that high). (Nope. Some people are completely immune to anything less than this swimming up and biting them in the ass, talk smack the wronger they get, are allergic to reality, and spin fairytales like "this disease only seriously affects people in socialist countries/states/cities/places I don't like, but will magically not be like that where I am ensconced, because viruses are political like that. Go ahead and whistle past the graveyard. More than one person in history has died with one hellva surprised look on their face. Color me shocked.)

It does me, and I'm back at work tonight.
This is what's coming, sooner or later, in all likelihood.

Not from shakycam cell videos with no sound, not from massaged ChiCom news propaganda, but an in-depth SkyNews report on the Coming Reality, from a modern Western nation, a month or two farther along in this than we are now. Most patients in their 50s. Not 80s; not 70s; not 60s. In their 50s. (Show of hands out there: Who's here from before 1970?) Burials every 30 minutes in the town cemetery. Two weeks on life support vents without recovery. (Being on a vent means a medically-induced drug coma, too, kids.) Good times, if you like reading about the Black Death in the 1300s.

This isn't panic-mongering, it's rubbing your noses in the truth.
For some people, that kind of a head-slap is the only way to finally get their attention.
If you can't handle it, avert your eyes, and STFU, and let the grown ups deal with it.

You don't have enough supplies, ammo, and hard-hearted friends inside your perimeter to deal with what happens if this crushes healthcare, and then all the wheels come off civilization. Pray that doesn't happen.

You might have enough to make it through just the Kung Flu part, if no one loses their minds, and instead puts on their big boy pants, and deals with their own sh*t. For several months.

Say, howzat gonna work out for those in EBT-Land, over by South Gibbsmedat?
Just curious.

Qwitcherbitchin, stop going out to play in it, and ride it out.

And for the perpetually hard-headed, go back and read this post, from a lifetime ago, in this case two weeks exactly, and tell me afterwards how right or wrong I was in what I told you, plainly, then, versus what you're experiencing IRL, now.

I'll wait over here while you consider your replies.


Anonymous said...

Jesus F. Christ.

And people are still carrying on as if this was a somewhat more intense version of the common cold.

Anonymous said...

I think the most recent ammunition - firearm sales uptick is more people realizing that this virus will have long term implications. The over purchase of toilet paper - same. Holing up and gathering in for a long holiday.

The next threat of this will be the loss of foods and vital medications via a shipping holiday. This is why Amazon and others are getting ahead of this now.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the post. Anyone who has wrestled with Pnumonia will tell you it changes your perspective on illness. I described it as drowning in my own lungs. Like when someone lays a lead blanket over you for an exray but times ten. Your lungs are you connect to life. No O and u assume room temp pretty quick. Low O and u get sick pretty quick. And once you have it you won't be bleating about the flu lol.

IF the Chloroquine is a feel good red herring we are well and truly sheep dipped. I have to think that it is because the actions being taken don't match the reality if it's effective as described? One would hate to think TPTB would put out such a thing but then 9-11. So nothing is off the table.

Thanks again for your posts. Not sure how you do it but good luck. I'm hearing second hand but primary source reports of the zone beginning to flood.

Anonymous said...

Over a year ago, posted in the comments section of Breitbart News was a mention of your blog. Since then have checked in and read your blog regularly and everything you have ever written about is or has become true. How bad might it get with a crime wave, hordes of gangs roaming the streets, looting - noticed that some city governments have recently decriminalized crimes including burglary - which would give free reign of breaking and entering homes. Thanks to your blog we did start preparing when we had time to get stuff but the crime part is what is so unpredictable.

McChuck said...

If quarantines are the answer to leveling out the curve, can we maintain them for 7-12 years? Because that's how long it will statistically take to not overwhelm current medical capacity.

3-6 months is a bare minimum. With everything shut down, and nobody going anywhere.

Of course, 90% of the population will starve to death or die in the rioting before that point.

Aesop said...

Where are you getting "years"? Worst case I've seen has this as this year.
Not 7-12 years.

Anonymous said...

@Anonymous 4:00AM I know where you're coming from with pneumonia. I had it about 30 years ago. I was in bed for two weeks almost unable to move. Just going to the john was a major chore and it was 15 feet from bed to hopper. Couldn't stand up to pee. I wasn't back to normal until about 8 weeks after the major part of the illness was over. My doctor tried 3 different antibiotics until he found one that worked. Don't recall now which it was.


FredLewers said...

Years ago I was driving my truck the day after I had replaced the rear brakes. After about 35-40 I noticed a little shake that hadn't been there before. It got worse and then started clunking. Not bad but enough to know "I'm fixing to lose a wheel."
I'm getting that same feeling now about civilization...
Why? Yesterday I watched a minivan going down the road making a hell of a racket from a flat tire. Almost normal speed... Watched them come down the hill, across the flats and up the other hill. About a mile with no deviation in speed. Drove it away like it was the most normal activity in the world... People are stupid. That's why we get a culling event. It's long overdue.

Anonymous said...

Ya know...plenty of people ARE stupid, and one hopes the "culling" would take those first; but things are rarely "fair". Some ass-umptions above, (most "anon") like "...then 9-11. So nothing is off the table." WTAF is that supposed to mean?
Another assumption would be the minivan. It is possible that the driver was fully aware and decided they were in no way gonna stop till they got home. Perhaps deciding to sacrifice a tire and even a wheel rather than what might be in the van.
We've been prepping for such as this for about a decade, aided in no small part by Aesop's advice; but I'm pretty far from sanguine - even six months is gonna be a test. We're in a good spot but far from the situation I'd prefer. We'll pray like it's all up to God and work like it's all up to us.
Boat Guy

Anonymous said...

Uhh - I'm 72 with a history of having had pneumonia and surviving a widow maker heart attack. I would expect that in the triage I don't get a ventilator, so is there any chance a CPAP would help - as in better than nothing?

Aesop said...


It looked to me like those hoods are the Italian version of CPAP.

Anonymous said...

So went to the USA Exchange online store to pick up some 45 ACP ammo. All out. Went to MidwayUSA same. The message to customers from Midway that was just posted should be read if you want a concise prescient explanation of a supply chain breakdown O suspect it is the same for business across the board

nick flandrey said...

Anyone have a link to the dosage and course of treatment for the Hydroxychloroquine Sulfate? I must have missed it when I scanned thru the articles.

Do they just give the anti-malarial course? Double? Half? With azithromycin (sp) or not?


nick flandrey said...

The side effects look pretty scary for something so widely used and available.


The following adverse reactions have been identified during post-approval use of PLAQUENIL or other 4-aminoqunoline compounds. Because these reactions are reported voluntarily from a population of uncertain size, it is not always possible to reliably estimate their frequency or establish a causal relationship to drug exposure.

Blood and lymphatic system disorders : Bone marrow failure, anemia, aplastic anemia, agranulocytosis, leukopenia, and thrombocytopenia. Hemolysis reported in individuals with glucose-6- phosphate dehydrogenase (G-6-PD) deficiency.

Cardiac disorders : Cardiomyopathy which may result in cardiac failure and in some cases a fatal outcome (see WARNINGS and OVERDOSAGE). PLAQUENIL prolongs the QT interval. Ventricular arrhythmias and torsade de pointes have been reported in patients taking PLAQUENIL (see OVERDOSAGE and DRUG INTERACTIONS).

Ear and labyrinth disorders : Vertigo, tinnitus, nystagmus, nerve deafness, deafness.

Eye disorders : Irreversible retinopathy with retinal pigmentation changes (bull's eye appearance), visual field defects (paracentral scotomas) and visual disturbances (visual acuity), maculopathies (macular degeneration), decreased dark adaptation, color vision abnormalities, corneal changes (edema and opacities) including corneal deposition of drug with or without accompanying symptoms (halo around lights, photophobia, blurred vision).

Gastrointestinal disorders : Nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and abdominal pain.

General disorders and administration site conditions : Fatigue.

Hepatobiliary disorders : Liver function tests abnormal, hepatic failure acute.

Immune system disorders : Urticaria, angioedema, bronchospasm

Metabolism and nutrition disorders : Decreased appetite, hypoglycemia, porphyria, weight decreased.

Musculoskeletal and connective tissue disorders : Sensorimotor disorder, skeletal muscle myopathy or neuromyopathy leading to progressive weakness and atrophy of proximal muscle groups, depression of tendon reflexes and abnormal nerve conduction.

Nervous system disorders : Headache, dizziness, seizure, ataxia and extrapyramidal disorders such as dystonia, dyskinesia, and tremor have been reported with this class of drugs.

Psychiatric disorders : Affect/emotional lability, nervousness, irritability, nightmares, psychosis, suicidal behavior.

Skin and subcutaneous tissue disorders : Rash, pruritus, pigmentation disorders in skin and mucous membranes, hair color changes, alopecia. Dermatitis bullous eruptions including erythema multiforme, Stevens-Johnson syndrome, and toxic epidermal necrolysis, drug reaction with eosinophilia and systemic symptoms (DRESS syndrome), photosensitivity, dermatitis exfoliative, acute generalized exanthematous pustulosis (AGEP). AGEP has to be distinguished from psoriasis, although PLAQUENIL may precipitate attacks of psoriasis. It may be associated with pyrexia and hyperleukocytosis.


Rollory said...

Speaking of scary:

Aesop said...


EVERY drug in the current pharmacopeia has yuuuuuge numbers of potential side effects, and risks of adverse reactions.
They have to list and publish all of them, down to those occurring in only a fraction of a percent of cases, because trial lawyers.

Hell, peanuts, iodine, and seafood carry the risk of death, right now, FFS.

Pull up the side effects for Tylenol, ibuprofen, or naproxen, for comparison.
Chloroquine gets prescribed to people because the side effect of not taking it in the tropics can be effing malaria, which kills 400K people/yr, every year, worldwide.

The only reason to take it now would be if you have a serious case of Kung Flu. Not as a prophylactic/preventative measure.

If you need it, someone with R.Ph. after their name will be doing dosage calcs for you.

Unknownsailor said...

Aesop, any word from official channels on the effects of ibuprofen with this disease? I'm seeing reports out of Italy that those who use it to treat the early symptoms of Covid-10 get hammered hard as a result. Patients in their 20s with no underlying morbidity are dying anyway because of known use of ibuprofen at the start of symptoms.

elysianfield said...

" Patients in their 20s with no underlying morbidity are dying anyway because of known use of ibuprofen at the start of symptoms."

Better you say "dying anyway despite the known use...."

George True said...

The use of the anti-malaria drugs chloroquine (CQ) and hhydroxychloroquine to treat Covid19 patients with serious symptoms APPEARS promising. There have now been both in-vitro studies and at least one study on actual humans (sample size of 40) that would seem to show that CQ and HCQ disrupt the replication of the Covid19 virus inside the cells of lung tissue, which is where it proliferates.

I do not know if either drug would be more preferable than the other. As I understand it, the South Koreans used HCQ because it is more widely available there, due to it being more effective against the main strain of malaria in Southeast Asia that is resistant to CQ. HCQ is also appatently a lot cheaper than CQ. However, one in-vitro study that was done indicated that CQ was much more effective against Covid19 than HCQ.

As for side effects, these would mostly be of concern for people taking these drugs long-term as an anti-malarial prophylaxis, or taking them off-label for conditions such as rheumatoid arthritis or lupus. The recommended dosage of CQ for treating Covid19 is 500 mg twice a day for 10 days.

Yesterday I had my annual physical and checkup exam with my primary care doctor. I had a frank conversation with him about using CQ to treat Covid19. Even though he is a very good doc (smart as a whip) and I like him very much, I was disappointed in his response. He knew about the human study that was done, and said it was too small of a sample size to be meaningful, and had other flaws such as not having a control group and not being double blind. My thoughts are that since EVERY person treated recovered and was discharged within 10 days, that means a whole lot. He also flatly turned down my request for a script for CQ that I could use if I got Covid19 and began developing significant symptoms.

So far the strategy of using CQ or HCQ is to administer it to a Covid19 patient that has already been admitted to the hospital with serious symptoms in order to PREVENT them from deteriorating to the point where they need to be in ICU and/or on a ventilator. (Because once they need the vent their odds of surviving are very poor.) The use of the HCQ or CQ seems to work very well for this. Depending on how bad off the patient is, anti-bacterial drugs are sometimes also administered to combat secondary infections in the lower lungs that Covid19 leaves them highly defenseless against.

Overall, it looks to me like these drugs could very well be the main way to fight Covid19, without breaking the health care system, and at much lower cost than other treatment regimens. Aesop, am I reading too much into this?

Unknownsailor said...

"Better you say "dying anyway despite the known use...."?

No, I mean because of.

The virus has just been shown to enter the lung alveolus cell through the ECAII receptor. When it binds to it it overexpresses it and kills the alveolar cell. Hence everything it produces. Men have more receptors than women, Asians more than Caucasians and people who take anti-hypertensive drugs such as antiECAs and especially Anti-ECAII have a brutal overexpression of the receptor and therefore are more susceptible to infection and infection is more serious.

The serious cases of young people are patients who have taken anti-inflammatory drugs at the beginning of the disease. Aspirin, ibuprofen, naproxen, voltarene (diclofenac), etc. must be avoided, because they favor the grave forms. You should only take Paracetamol.

Do not take ibuprofen or anti-inflammatory if you suspect Covid. In France, four serious cases of young people without previous pathology have in common the taking of ibuprofen. Apparently it makes the infection develop much faster.

They are reminded that they should NOT take Ibuprofen, Motrin, Advil, or aspirin for flu or fever symptoms. In Italy and France they have discovered that people who have died from Covid-19 have taken ibuprofen and causes the virus to be potentiated five or more times.

Anyone who has symptoms should take only and exclusively PARACETAMOL (except, of course, medical prescription), drink plenty of water, and very often (if possible sips every 15 minutes). We also have natural antivirals such as Garlic, Ginger, Propolis, and almost all aromatic plants (Mint, Melissa (Torongil), Rosemary ...) Cinnamon, Curcuma, Fruits with Vitamin C ... in direct infusion.

From Norway said...

They are trying HCQ in my local hospital. I have a friend in the ICU, will tell you how it works.

Unknown said...

I hope the cloroquinine stops it.
Because this article makes the situation look BAD:

Marina said...

@ Rollory, 8:49A
Great article, thanks !

Dad said...

STILL waiting for my scrip to be approved/supplied by CVS. Thought I was ahead of the curve and could get it. I'm staysing inside with my COPD, we're doing just fine.

Goose said...

I know you remarked about the folks on EBT cards but many more are on Social Security, and every pension known to man. If EBT stops so will all of the others and then you are not talking about millions but tens of millions. Then all will be in the street along with the pay check to paycheck people whose unemployment checks have stopped.

I have already read about what are effectively auto caravans coming out of cities to buy the shelves bare in more rural areas. Long Island NY has the NYC rich bitches behaving like locusts in the Hamptons and stripping everything bare (NYPost).

But as a friend said when you see the vultures on a roof top you know where to go for supplies. Therefore as has been said have a hard heart and plenty of ammo with friends in a defendable perimeter

nick flandrey said...

Folks on SS rarely riot in the streets, loot, or set fire to cars.....


The Gray Man said...

I think it’s time that we stop yelling at the people who said we were wrong (I started telling people about this in early January like you did), and started just talking to the ones who are listening.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, I started checking in on my elderly neighbor a couple weeks ago. She only needs milk and eggs once a week.
"Oh, I've got a freezer full of beef and a pantry with all kinds of canned goods, its just how I was raised!"
They don't make 'em like that anymore...

weaserdapi said...

On EBT, it's only useful if the local wallyword or 7-12 actually has food on the shelves. Card might work fine and be loaded up. But there is no way to transfer funds on the corner or in a back alley

nick flandrey said...

Add "it only kills old people, so what do I care" and "kids are safe, so lets have a playdate" to the list of idiocy...


Anonymous said...

Best wishes to him/her.