Friday, June 4, 2021

Is There An America Worth Dying For?


Peter, at Bayou Renaissance Man, has some thoughts on the question.

My TL;DR answer would be "No."

That America was finally smothered with a pillow on Nov. 3rd, 2020. All that remains is a shambling zombie corpse of What Was.

Peter's conclusion, oft-repeated, is 

"We cannot kill our way out of the dilemma of being human, with all the tragedy that entails."

True enough.

But we aren't trying to "kill our way out of being human".

We're looking and expecting to be killing the evil communist would-be overlords who oppress, knee-jerk, everyone they can see. That, we can most certainly do. And ought to. Some people just don't learn until you shoot them in the face. Challenge accepted. Say "When."

Because you can absolutely kill your way to an America we remember, it's just one with a lot fewer people standing when it's all over: the ones not compatible with a nation of laws and a land of liberty. That kind of liberty is a binary equation, not shades of gray. You either want it, and have it, or you don't.

We have no choice about "killing our way" out of Clown World.

The other side fully intends to kill you into it, if necessary (and they'll make sure it is). They're not even shy about telling you, out loud, and in print, publicly. They've done so times without number, just in the last six months. Brighter types recognize such behavior as a "clue".

You can resolve to taste bad when they throw you to the lions, or you can gear up to start killing the zookeepers and ringmasters.

You're not going to carve out an enclave of freedom. Ask South Vietnam how that worked out. Run it by Israel. Have a chat in Miami with some freedom-loving Cubans. Let me know how it went in Poland, Czechoslovakia, and Hungary. Consult the Chinese in Taiwan about the odds on that.

You have no Mason-Dixon line of freedom behind which to retreat. You don't have one single 100% red county, anywhere, let alone a full state. Nor would such an option be tolerated, for so much as an instant.

This fight is going to be street to street, house to house, floor to floor, and room to room. Period. You cannot gainsay your way out of what's coming, and you can't gaslight those who tell you what's coming. Reality has an annoying habit of kicking down your door, and grabbing you by the throat, long past the time you should have heard it coming up the street.

There's nowhere left to run, and no other way out of this, unless the other side all commits seppuku, and/or turns themselves in for delusional criminal psychosis and sociopathy.

Wish for that latter unlikelihood in one hand, and crap in the other, and tell us which one fills up first.

I would counsel sharpening your hatchet, and loading magazines.

"Easy" went by in the rear view mirror about 50 years ago. It's so far gone you can't see it from where you are now.

The choice now is between bloody conflict, and putting a noose around your own neck and kicking off from the chair, hoping to dance your way to heaven.

When last I looked, suicide was considered a mortal sin, but a just war was considered an eminently forgivable necessity.

Life guarantees sadness.

You want sunny days and happiness, you're going to have to fight your way there.

Best stop daydreaming for a miraculous last-second salvation, and start planning for bitter life-and-death strife.

You aren't likely to be disappointed.


BigCountryExpat said...

The key here is not 'when' but 'who'... I keep going over in my mind the whole situation and have trouble figuring out what 'intolerable act' will be the straw that break the back. I mean the theft of the election? Nope. The constant harangue of our betters railing against us? Nope. It's getting to the point that my "Oh Really?" meter doesn't even budge anymore.

Let's face it, I, like you, well, we're selfish. I know that I'm far too comfortable at this time to be on the 'stepping off the porch' side of things... gonna take a LOT more shit, and on a personal level to disrupt my particular ricebowl. I'll admit it. I -also- feel like I already did my fair share of shit for this country FAR beyond the norm.

Hope yer doing well!

Aesop said...

I'm good.
Just a lot of running around and spending money on things I wish I didn't hafta, bud I hadta. Imperial entanglements, and all.

I did my service time.
Then I did a freebie on the border for 5+ years.
When the third time's the charm, it'll be from Camp Snoopy and Castle Anthrax, and about 0.2 seconds after the lightswitch goes from "Be Cool" to "Kill Everyfuckingbody Responsible". ZFG, and no quarter asked nor given.

That's another thing I wish we didn't hafta, but we're gonna hadta.

If we don't have LIC cooking off somewhere stateside before Xmas, it'll be a freaking miracle, IMHO.

TPTB are trying to keep the simmer just under a boil, but things get away from them rather easily.

Jacksonian Grouch said...

hi Aesop,

long time reader, first time post.

America worth dying for? Yes, Aesop - because you're America, and I'm America. For you I would fight... and if the Good Lord calls me home in doing so, then Yes, American is worth dying for.

Because there are millions of us, Aesop. This "sea to shining sea" is just the place our forefathers built, for certain, but in the long run just a place we live in. America is you and me.

God Bless, Frater - E Pluribus Unum

The JG

Michael said...

TPTB think they can slowly simmer our goose into a delightful dish and kill off one by one the troublemakers as they arise. AND they are but Servants of the Chinese as their Satraps here in the New Colony of America.

A Satrap was only in Charge as long as they can retain control (AND Collect Taxes) of the "Troublesome Province" FOR Their their Rulers (the CCP). SO when they fail the Chinese will seek to restore their authority over their new colony.

Feel Free to Prove Me Wrong. I'm listening.

This Man KNOWS of what he speaks:

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956

AND This “Every man always has handy a dozen glib little reasons why he is right not to sacrifice himself.”
― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956

RIGHT NOW the TPTB have kept just enough "Freedom" and "Prosperity" around so we *Still* have something to LOSE if we step off the Porch. Like the Python they slowly squeeze us into surrender. At least that seems their plan as their Bosses the CCP PLANS are Unknown.

Who will step up to be our Forlorn Hope?

A forlorn hope is a band of soldiers or other combatants chosen to take the vanguard in a military operation, such as a suicidal assault through the kill zone of a defended position, where the risk of casualties is high.

Leadership is not required initially as small groups, closed mouths, bad attitudes BUT

Logistics ARE Critical. General Washington almost lost the whole Army at Valley Forge except for that Christmas Surprise Attack giving his men badly needed supplies and a store of REAL Money GOLD to pay for things. The Promises of the Paper Continental "Dollar" were being IGNORED by even the Patriot suppliers while the British Solders had NO Problems getting new boots and foodstuffs from the colonies.

Wyomarine said...

So everyone wants to go kill the "bad guys", but how many of you are willing to kill over 1/2 of the people you know? That's what it is going to take to succeed. Look around you and figure out which 1/2 to 5/8 of the people around you that need to go bye bye.
Those are just plain old statistics of reality.
Now get to work.

Aesop said...

They're all of the people I don't know.
Don't miss them now, won't miss them afterwards.
At least, no more so than I'd miss splinters under my fingernails, or fingernails on a chalkboard. They sound about like that too.

And with violent crime and murder rates rising everywhere, it could be months before anyone realizes that some people may have already "gotten to work".

Interesting concept, don'cha think?

The Tactical Hermit said...

Things change when you KILL the RIGHT People, History bears this out.

Michael said...

Aesop in Respect, Sir "so far the "Some people have already gotten to work" idea is hogwash.

The Powers That Be and their minions are AMUSED to watch the "Hunger Games" of joggers killing joggers. Their mental sickness is like that.

Once anybody in that BIG Club (you know the one WE are NOT members of) comes to harm THEY will go Full CSI to ID and publicly punish those "Terrorists" and so on that threaten OUR Democracy and all that Propaganda Hogwash. Random 10 year old kids getting shot at a party DONOT get that level of Investigation (if any at all).

I remember your amusing tale of scattering random range pickup 22 brass at a hit and all that. I recall I asked you about ALL those Store Security Cameras, Stop Light Cameras, Traffic Cameras, License plate readers and the data with in them when the Freddie's got interested in this event. Not all 3 letter folks are diversity hires, some are very good at what they do.

The Electronic Surveillance and how to subvert it is as important as Logistics of keeping safe houses and the yappers shut.

I suggest keeping your day job and doing the Batman thing shall not work out well when you get "busy". Nothing like being picked up by a few white vehicles with large well trained gentlemen at your job's parking lot to ruin your day.

After all it IS your Lives, your Fortunes and your Sacred Honor we are talking about here.

OH AND your Families same same as like the Mob or dealing with Gangs they WILL come after ALL you love. Just saying.

Know your hazards, make your decisions. Not everybody sitting on their porch are cowards, just measuring the Full Cost.

Once that ride starts your NOT GETTING OFF. Ask the Shining Path folks even now decades after the situation resolved.

Cue up the little bunnies meme again eh? No think it through my friend. We know only of the ones that succeeded in the American Revolution NOT the many ruined ones that rotted away slowly in the British Prison Hulks in Boston Harbor. AND the British generally didn't go after your friends and families. Something about honor, chivalry and all that.

We didn't win the American Revolution Sir, with out the French using us as a proxy war to weaken the British by breaking naval blockades and supplying the Rebels with military supplies and training the we would still have been part of the British Empire. Messiers Dupont the French powder maker (who created our powder manufacturing here, Dupont Powders still here eh?) and General Lafayette ring a bell?

The British figured it out and gave up on controlling the "Colonies" as Un-Profitable as to turn their interest on to the French.

Name ONE successful revolution that did not have major outside support?

Moe Grimm said...

Good synopsis Aesop. To me at least, one of your best.

Borepatch said...

Adam Smith: "There's a lot of ruin in a country." Hard to tell when the ruin tips over into collapse.

SiGraybeard said...

And with violent crime and murder rates rising everywhere, it could be months before anyone realizes that some people may have already "gotten to work".

For a long time, I've been figuring that the first signs things have gone hot will be certain people just disappearing. People like a certain ex-FBI director or ex-CIA chief, people like that; maybe even a governor or two. In "Unintended Consequences" there's a scene where someone spends some time living in a dumpster that has a clear line of fire to a golf course for the time some special "Deep State Chieftain" was playing golf. (Ross did not use that term) Someone like that developing a .308 headache is a bit more obvious than I expect.

Disappearing might not even make the news. Cerebral ventilation on a golf course would.

Arthur Sido said...

The long and short of it is this: someone is going to die in large numbers, that is without question. The only real question left is whether it is them or it is us. I vote them.

Bear Claw Chris Lapp said...

The most terrifying force of death, comes from the hands of "Men who wanted to be left Alone".

They try, so very hard, to mind their own business and provide for themselves and those they love.

They resist every impulse to fight back, knowing the forced and permanent change of life that will come from it.

They know, that the moment they fight back, the lives as they have lived them, are over.

The moment the "Men who wanted to be left Alone" are forced to fight back, it is a small form of suicide. They are literally killing off who they used to be. . . .

Which is why, when forced to take up violence, these "Men who wanted to be left Alone", fight with unholy vengeance against those who murdered their former lives. They fight with raw hate, and a drive that cannot be fathomed by those who are merely play-acting at politics and terror. TRUE TERROR will arrive at the Left's door, and they will cry, scream, and beg for mercy . . . . but it will fall upon deaf ears.

Night driver said...

Dear Michael. Spend a bit of time with Mr. Luongo at:

His MAIN point is that Xao Bai-den is NOT a China creature but a DAVOS creature.
He makes a bunchof sense.

Though it doesn't CHANGE the FACT that we are going to be shooting FO REALZ damn soon.

Night Driver

Bear Claw Chris Lapp said...

You will be surprised. Most of it is not about what you think it will be. Bought it out of curiosity and turned out to be a good history book as well. Have since met a female pistol instructor who heard him speak and read his other books as well.

Maybe unintended consequences can be a manual like 1984 or atlas shrugged.

Nick Flandrey said...

I thought that Grossman book had been pretty thoroughly debunked.

I certainly don't see any historical evidence that people find it hard to kill other people. Most of civilization is people learning how NOT to kill others.

Nor do I see any evidence of it in the big cities of America. Whole lotta people ready to end a life over a look or a scrap of colored fabric or some other 'diss'.

It may be that for a short period of time, white men, in a comfortable western civilization, had been successfully conditioned NOT to kill others, but it's the height of hubris to say that about ALL men- when all the evidence is against it.


(you know, tell it to the islamic ready to kill his own daughter for smiling at a man, or the afgan tribesman killing the goat thief, or the Caliph ordering the death of all the Christians in Constantinople... or Herrod killing all the first born Jews. Or Oedipus who kills a man for bumping into him in the street...)

Michael said...

Night Driver I always read your comments here and other blogs. I respect your thoughts.

However as you said it really doesn't matter WHO is screwing us when Hell's coming for Breakfast.

But IF the Davos crowd is behind our national destruction for the "Glory of Globalism" THEN I am VERY Wary of the Cyber Polygon "Wargame" scheduled for July.

Zero Hedge article today titled Cyber Polygon: Will The Next Globalist War Game Lead To Another Convenient Catastrophe? says it better than I can. Worth a read. Discusses how 911 and COVID 19 were "Wargames" just before the events.

Might truly be Lights Out folks in 60 days if they follow their previous examples. If I recall correctly Davos folks WANT massive population reduction.

Get your ducks in a row STAT as a dressed up AR will not replace good field sanitation when cholera and such is killing you over bad water. 3 days water, with Bad water day two you WISH you were Dead, Day three your WISH is Granted.

Graham's Killhouse Rules Apply especially #5 Always be working, there is Always something you can do to improve your situation. Nobody is coming to save you, you are on your own.

Marty said...

I give it 24-36 months and the death jab will have resolved a lot of these issues.

The Davos/NWO/Bohemian Grove neo feudalists screwed up with the "vaccine" kill shots, because they probably figured that it would be accepted across the board, what they didn't figure on, but they should have is that the majority of the injected/infected are the sheeple who acquiesce ro them, and give them their power. After all Zhou Xie Den couldn't have stolen the election without the 50 or so million votes that he actually received.

The problem they have is that a disproportionate number of the useful idiots they depend on are getting the venom. Not that they won't have a problem killing off millions of their supporters in furtherance of their goal of depopulation and white middle class American genocide.
But the problem they have is that while a majority of the minority that voted for Zhou and Climidia Harris have volunteered to have the deadly spike protein injected into them, the majority of the deplorables have given it a hard pass. Which means that when the true nature of the hazards of the injection become apparent, the majority of those who will exit this mortal coil as a result will be the malleable fools that support them.
Hence the desperation to get everyone injected, otherwise the coup leaders and their Red Chinese handlers will find themselves vastly out numbered, heck even a few of their supporters who actually voted for China Zhou because they didn't like the mean Orange man might figure that mass murder is actually worse than mean tweets, not all or most, but some.

Unknown said...

"The key here is not 'when' but 'who'... "

That's the key question, and the failure to identify it is what's keeping the reclamation of America from stepping off. After a lot of consideration, I'd like to nominate a prime target: America's media. And no, I don't mean the Big Four or PBS (per se).

For example, I know of a locally based Fox affiliate whose newscasts are as full of Dem/Fauci/Biden/CCP/NeverTrump bullshit as MSNBC or CNN reliably are. Why not start there, with a pile of 11 o'clock news readers bodies in the parking lot and letters to local and network outlets, national newspapers, anyone who'll print them telling them that we're tired of "if it bleeds, it leads" and now the new mantra is "if you lie, you die?"

In any lasting conflict you can imagine, control of the news media will be crucial. Their reliable Trump hatred made the Traitor's successful in November, and has pacified the nation ever since. The media went along with it because they enjoyed their usual perks, salaries and prestige at no cost whatsoever (other than betraying their own homeland).

Make it costly and they will flee in droves. They have no intestinal fortitude at all.

In their absence, the American people have no confidence in any of the known Democrat leaders or their juvenile counterparts. The third choice --- a guy or gal in a uniform reading whatever they've been handed --- will look like the propaganda ministry cyphers they are.

If I'm wrong, tell me why (or "who").


Brian E. said...

You are not the only one who’s thought about use of certain books as useful instructional materials. From where I’m sittin, it’s well past time to feed the hogs…

Guttersnipe said...

On a long enough time line, everybody's survival rate drops to zero. Kill the obvious ones. Stack the bodies. Stay away from most women and all children. The first one or two will be unnerving, but I suspect after that it will just be reflex. The reporter asked the sniper: 'Do you feel anything when you kill someone?" Answered the sniper: 'Yeah. A little recoil."