Thursday, June 13, 2019

Trust, But Verify

Despite some monumentally asinine carping from world-class trolls on several sites, all I've done is consolidated and condensed current information on Ebola, and I present it with the bark on, and reality settings turned up to 100%.

Which is why I get it right, early, more frequently than the acknowledged "experts". I also don't have anybody's @$$ to kiss.

Someone asked me where I'd gotten it into my head that fever was not a component in a yuuuuuge percentage of cases.

I could tell you "Trust me" but that would be b.s.

So instead, I tracked back my quotes, posts, and comments on other blogs, to pin down when and where that factoid came to be.

Here you go:
"In addition, around 50% of confirmed cases do not present fever symptoms which hinders their detection in health facilities and increase the risk of exposure for health workers." - WHO 10/26/2018 Outbreak Summary, p.3 (bottom of page) {emphasis mine -A.}
Tell 'em Casey Stengel sent ya.

The UN's best and brightest medical experts admitted 9 months ago, publicly, and in their own house bulletin, that fever doesn't appear in 50% of people with actual Ebola, in this outbreak.

So no, I didn't just pull this out of my fourth point of contact, or, unlike the CDC @$$clowns, "just make sh*t up".

Now you've got chapter and verse on where this came from.
And it's as reliable a source as you'll ever get.

So now I can say, with a straight face, that when I tell you something, you can trust me.
But I'll give you the references and bibliography if necessary.

Now bear in mind that the one and only tool they use to screen people at airports and Ports Of Entry is...fever.


Anonymous said...

Posting again in case you didn't see in the other comments:

Uganda looking at 3 potential cases of ebola not related to the now-dead index kid.

And they shipped index-kid's family back to DRC, so now there's "officially" no confirmed cases of ebola in Uganda.

I think it's a novel approach. Instead of shipping ebola patients to the US, we should ship all ebola patients to the DRC. Keep them all tidy in a single country.

Aesop said...

Too little, too late.
Dead Kid and his idiot family are only the first Uganda cases, not the last.
The kid was infectious for a week or two, ditto the family, and that's just the first of what will be many families to import Ebola to another country.

Uganda can't unpop their cherry on this; they're hosed.

Anonymous said...

It's past time to quarantine Africa, no flights into the U.S. and shut down the southern border; every mile, every yard, every foot, every inch. The U.S. Government is now and has been for a long time criminally negligent in its primary duty, protecting the U.S.A. BHO didn't think it was "fair" that only benighted Africa enjoyed Ebola last time, he tried to share the wealth. This time there is no excuse.

NE Heretic

Anonymous said...

Excellent reporting again Aesop, many thanks. Once again the MSM is shown to be worthless.

NE Heretic

Anonymous said...

CDC Director Robert Redfield recently told congress that the world must be prepared for this outbreak to spread internationally and for vaccine supplies to run out.

Reltney McFee said...

Surprisingly, my youngest son makes me look like some kind of snowflake on this (the southern border). His plan? "Landmines. Automatic machine gun towers. Ditches. Fill the ditches with water. Fill the water with hungry alligators. Try, then execute, any survivors. Then, get mean if that doesn't work."

With Ebola added to the stool stew of reasons to be concerned about illegal immigration, well, maybe he's being just a bit too gentle.

Tal Hartsfeld said...

They DO have blood tests for this disease, don't they?
...or saliva sampling, something along a similar line?

tweell said...

From the CDC website on ebola: Ebola virus can be detected in blood after onset of symptoms, most notably fever. It may take up to three days after symptoms start for the virus to reach detectable levels.

The saliva test is worse - it can confirm ebola only in acutely ill patients.

Yes, our tests are poor, and serve only to confirm the medical diagnosis based on symptoms. We have no way to determine if someone is infected (and spreading the virus) until well after they get sick.

Anonymous said...

Excellent reporting as usual. It has become self evident there are federal employees that are not acting in the country's interest. The massive "abnormalities" are too widespread to be coincidental. If any survive to be investigated and tried it will be interesting to find out who they benefited, other than themselves.

horsewithnonick said...

Sure - start fucking around with the blood or saliva of a potential Ebola victim, and you'll get the results in about two or three weeks...

MMinLamesa said...

Your posts would be an excellent start to a book(sci-fi?) about how the US went under.

Kinda like The Last Stand.

Anonymous said...

He ought know. The CDC has held the patent on ebola since the 80's (vaccines, virus, all derivatives including infected tissues)


Anonymous said...

@ Reltney McFee, I have long thought posting signs stating "Armed Response" in a couple of language, along with the will and the means to back it up was a perfectly good way to handle the situation.

@ Aesop, thank you for disseminating the information as it becomes available to people paying attention. Most appreciated.


Jimmy the Saint said...

It's not a lie if you believe it.
- Ugandan Minister of Health & Propaganda

admin said...

So for the Moron that says the CDC holds a patent on Ebola. Prove it. Show the actual US patent office patent.

bobbookworm said...

Admin..wouldn't throw stones (or names)too fast at that other guy, the Gov't does hold a patent on one strain of Ebola. Not the Zaire strain active in DRC...another one. A 'quick search' pops up lots of references to it. Don't know that it goes back to the 80's but at least a decade.
Top link is to Canadian patent, bottom is US

horsewithnonick said...

Always wondered where Costanza ended up...

The Gray Man said...

Something the lay-people don’t understand about infectious processes is that your body isn’t always going to have the same temperature regulation as everyone else. We get cases of sepsis in our ER all the time. Some of them have high temperatures, some have low temperatures, some have regular temperatures. Some people show a regular temp because they haven’t spiked the fever yet, some people have taken Tylenol before they came to see us. There are all sorts of reasons that an Ebola infected person might not show a fever at the moment of assessment.

“At the moment of assessment” is the key phrase to anyone thinking about the brief assessment done by whomever is watching our port crossings. If the infected person is having a good day, or a good hour, or isn’t going to spiking that fever for another twenty minutes after they’re being assessed (or if the assessor is an idiot), then they’re all good to cross.

Try to identify the other key phrase. I’ll give you one guess.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
CDC Director Robert Redfield recently told congress that the world must be prepared for this outbreak to spread internationally and for vaccine supplies to run out.

June 13, 2019 at 11:13 AM


A Competent and forward looking CDC Director would have been demanding money from Congress to subsidize additional vaccine manufacturing capacity NOW! To win over the Democrats he could couch it as help for Africa. Sounds reasonable if we were a sane government.

Ideally we will beat this Ebola Outbreak this time. Hopefully we will be smart and build both the manufacturing capacity and a large vaccine stockpile for the NEXT Outbreak in 2021 or 2022, something like 50-100 million doses.

Instead the US CDC bureaucrats are spending all their time, money and attention on the socially popular issues like global warming, transgenderism, gun violence, racism, sexism, and homophobia.


Night driver said...

Just to point out to bob and Thomas, that is on ONE STRAIN of ebola...there are others.

bobbookworm said...

Anon 6:44...I believe that is what I said.

Rollory said...

What's surprising about that? The younger generations are going straight to the ideological extremes. They have to live in the world their parents and grandparents made, without the filter of rose-tinted memories from the 60s, 70s and 80s.

I totally agree with your son's approach. The problem is no politician is willing to do that, and therefore it won't be implemented until after the civil war goes hot and gets resolved.

Quail said...

@Aesop Thank you for the link. I searched for hours but couldn't find anything about fever percentages for this outbreak. No offense intended, merely my ineptitude at finding data when a friend requested it from me.

Your blog is my first stop when I hear about Ebola popping back up because you tell it as it is.

Again, no offence intended at all.

John Wilder said...

Hmmm. Too scary.

I think I will only worry about . . .

spins wheel . . .

celebrity marriages. Yeah. I'll worry about that.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for all the (terrifying) information. I researched and found some information on BL-IV beds here. Apparently they call them "High-Level Isolation Units" in the EU.

London, Royal Free Hospital - 1
Newcastle, Royal Victoria Infirmary - 6
Madrid, Hospital La Paz - 5
Berlin, Charity University Medicine - 4
Hamburg, unnamed hospital - 6
Rome, Lazzaro Spallanzani - 8
Unnamed other center in Italy - ?

Most don't have the staff to care for that many patients at once.

This information is from the following blog by a NHS nurse at the Newcastle facility who won a grant to tour the BL-IV beds of US and Germany, Italy and Spain in 2018:

Aesop said...

No offence taken. Yours was just the most recent request, which bugged me partly because once I *know* something, I know it, but I couldn't recall the exact source, so *I* wanted to know where the frack I remembered the info from. Since I read about eight or ten blogs daily, skim a dozen or three more, usually go to their sources, and also follow just about every scrap put out on Ebola (and because - surprise! surprise! - TPTB, both governmental/medical and internet, tend to have this nasty track record of "disappearing" good info once it becomes troubling to the proles, they tend to wipe the internet slate), so I wanted to find this one before it became memory-holed.

In short, it was a search that needed to be done.
And the result, and source, was as authoritative as possible. It's just that I read it fresh 36 weeks or so ago the first time, which strains even my prodigious recall.

@Anonymous 12:42
You are my new Rock Star!
THANK YOU for that info, and ten points to Gryffindor for posting the source.
I now have my homework assignment for the morning.

Anonymous said...

The southern border should be a free fire zone for 150-200 meters.
Onkel Totenkopf

show me one socialist success in world history said...

My daughter is an RN working as an IT manager integrating rural clinics into the hospital organization.

Her immediate boss is about to embark on a wwek-long church mission trip to Rwanda, which is right next door to DRC. I told daughter about ebola (thanks to what I learned from your informative reporting!) and asked if her boss is aware. I also asked if her boss is going to self-quarantine or if the hospital has a policy of requiring quarantine after travel to areas that near the hot zone. You know what the answers are.

I'm thinking of calling the state's Health Department and asking what their policy is in a case like this, or what they require of hospitals falling under their purview. I checked the hospital's board of directors and officers webpage to see if anyone was listed as an emergency infectious disease control officer but it's not posted publicly.

Your excellent reporting teaches me to take this very seriously because none of us get a second chance if this thing blows up. I feel as though I am watching the potential of a USA Ground Zero case unfold AT A HOSPITAL, BY AN EMPLOYEE. And all concerned are blind, deaf and dumb.

The international airport in Rwanda is in Kisukiro, a large city that is already on WHO watch as having the "...greatest risk from the DRC...". WHO also lists 2 districts in Rwanda, Rubavu & Gisenyi as "...greatest risk...". Although I do not know where this person is travelling to, it is certain she will travel through that airport in that city.

Given your knowledge of the internal hierarchy of a hospital, would you recommend a starting place for me to make inquiries, like whichever authority would be tasked with infectious disease control (surely a broad spectrum responsibility) as it relates to epidemics? Or do you think going the State Health Dept. route may prove more fruitful?

I would rather be the boy who cried wolf than the guy who sat on his ass and watched it happen, knowing I could have nipped it in the bud.

Thanks for these most informative posts. Your warnings have taught me to pay attention to the WHO briefings on the subject.

LargeMarge said...

The southern border of fUSA needs to be a De-Militarized Zone of ten miles into Mexico.

Nothing left standing. Deny the enemy a) shelter, b) food, c) water, d) resources needed to invade.

Ten miles of rubble.
Give at least a few hours notice before the bombing.
I think this's fair.

Then, after a period of adjustment == a week should do it == American military moves into Mexico to stabilize the place. American military bases around all the strategic areas == Acapulco, Cancun, Cabo, you get the picture.

I think this's fair.

During the first hours of the Mexico stabilization, American military establishes a DMV ten miles into Guatemala.

I think this's fair.

horsewithnonick said...

I don't know why this only just now occurred to me, but -

If an infected person shows up at X airport and the screeners get lucky and he's got a fever, just keeping him off the plane is a woefully inadequate response. Fever means he is contagious, and, depending on his symptoms and hygiene, now *anyone and/or everyone in the airport* is potentially just starting their incubation period.

I don't feel so good.

LargeMarge said...

The De-Mil Zone into Guatemala should read 'DMZ'.

DMV are the bureaucrats at one of the licenses and permits places.

Aesop said...


Ah, so you've caught sight of the 800# gorilla in the room, have you?

TS Adams said...

The movie "Contagion" helps to get a feel for this
sort of thing.

I think if it is allowed to break out of Africa it
will be much worse in the USA because then it will
spread south and all of the people south of the
border will believe coming here will give them a
better chance at survival.

When God has had enough of Sodomy, Infanticide and
Idolatry (always the cause of judgement) He uses Famine,
War and Plague--sometimes all three at the same time--to
correct the situation. Those nations that are the most
blessed suffer the most because they knew better.

A lot of people like to mock God and the Bible in
times of great crisis and disaster by jokingly likening
the the situation to the Old Testament judgements.

Well, any one of these things could trigger the
other two. If we should manage to survive those
three we would be in such a weakened state that
Russia and China will invade us. Unless they also
get to experience OT 2.0.

Whatever you guys think about all that we're
facing don't stop bitching and hating your country
and absolutely don't repent of your personal sins
or pray to God for our country. Just shake your fist
in His face--especially you Tfat and Aesop the wise--and
get ready for your one-man stand against a rage you
can't even imagine. It's going to get real personal.

Anonymous said...

Y'all do realize there's also the chance of "malfeasance" by medical staff yes?

Another follower posted a link about the nurse from the U.K. (actually Scotland if memory serves) who had already spiked a fever, the doctor LIED and signed off that it was normal, she again showed no symptom upon arrival in Glasgow (?) because she was taking some med that reduces fever...which means she damned well knew she had it and deliberately chose to risk the health of everyone she came in contact with from that point forward.

I understand no one in the medical profession signs a death pact. I also understand that no one in their right mind, upon realizing they had contracted this nightmare would want to remain and die in some third-world shithole...however, that doesn't excuse deliberately "playing Russian roulette" with, well, the world.

As A says, pleasant dreams (I know mine haven't been of late).

Larry said...

Why on earth would any hospital or anyone for that matter want to house and try to treat someone with ebola? Most likely the patient is going to die. When it is considered that someone has ebola, give them a shot either of some killer drug or 9mm to the back of the head and burn their bodies. The chances of infecting others is done. Over.

Aesop said...

We don't do that. And shouldn't.

Our level of care, not being the African hands-off "palliative care" hospice model, doubled to tripled the survivability of Ebola. That ain't nothing.

The right way to do it is with a single-use disposable (and flammable) Ebola clinics, with full BL-IV capability. Across the parking lot, and not inside the main hospital.

And nobody gets inside either without a screening, outside both areas, so you don't send Ebola patients into the main hospital, nor regular patients into the Hot Zone ward.

In fact, that screening should be done even earlier, at the level of 9-1-1 dispatch, to determine which ambulance to send.

You'll still need to sort walk-ins though, but it has to go to that level, or everyone's screwed from the get-go.

But we don't do that either.

Hilarity follows. Then, lots of deaths.

horsewithnonick said...

Anonymous said...

And the top men in our .gov have given some thought to the issue, in the context of pandemic flu.

Here is the link to the pdf--

And a link to the post I did about the pdf last year, where I break out some of the highlights--

And here is the TL:DR summary---

"There’s lots more and it’s worth looking at. After all, this is what CDC thinks your local health care providers need to consider and plan for WRT flu pandemic.

-EMS not transporting sick people
-facilities and services shut down or reaching capacity and rationing of other treatment
-local authorities SEIZING medical supplies
-local authorities FORCING med staff to work
-deaths among EMS, facility staff, and care providers
-physically securing the treatment areas
-giving priority to staff family and pets
-using the military to provide transportation, reserve medical services, and security
-too many dead people to deal with normally


(the link came to me in the weekly newsletter I get for EM and first responders)"

Aesop said...

"Forcing" med staff to work??

1) The @$$holes who'd enforce that would be the ones I'd be taking care of if they were shot. Not happening.
2) They'll be calling in sick too. Not happening.
3) Tf anyone knocks at my door, they'd by God better bring a lot of friends, a prodigious ammo supply, and a generous supply of body bags. Not happening.
4) If they're prepared to shoot me, that kind of obviates the utility of trying to compel me to work. Not happening.
5) When last I looked, the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendment had a wee bit to say about compelling anyone to labor against their will. I'll be enforcing my freedom and my wishes out the barrel of a rifle, and there won't be any appeal. Not happening.
6) If by some miracle, they took me alive, and put me into a hot unit, I'd take an infected scalpel and stab anyone and everyone from the CDC first, then the guards. The whole protocol depends on people not wanting to bring infectious material out of quarantine. That doesn't work well with involuntarily indentured servants, does it? So still not happening.

The pencil-pushing clipboard commando fuckwit who thought that one up should be pulled apart with tractors while alive, after his family was set on fire alive in front of his eyes.
And will be.

But anyone in authority with an IQ north of 65 knows all this already, in their bones, so it's never happening.
Because nobody else is going to die trying to enforce something that monumentally idiotic.
But if they try, I'll kill all they send, with a smile on my face and a bounce in my step, and sleep the sleep of the righteous afterwards.
And then go after their families.

I hope no one mistakes this for anything but a statement of fact.

Anonymous said...

Yep, not my list, but official check boxing from CDC.

"think about what your hospital will do when the army comes"

--"Ok, I've got a plan. I'm leaving."

Seriously though, I think they expect hospitals and staff to 'fort up' as the best place to be in a real outbreak. I'm sure that's projection on their part- they intend to show up at the CDC bunker with their families and 25 shirttail why wouldn't other people?

As far as compelling staff, a carrot backed with a stick would work for most people. "come with us and we vaccinate your family. You don't ALL want to burn to death in this house do you?" It might work for a short period, depending on who was holding the stick. There's always some asshole willing to do the shittiest jobs. IIRC you personally have never mentioned anyone they could leverage, but most people have plenty of folks they wouldn't want hurt/ would do anything to protect.

State licensing boards know where everyone lives, and I'm sure that database is open to the Feds.

If things get nasty I expect them to get REALLY nasty. Desperate people do desperate things.


(not a coincidence that I'm buying stuff that needs the DOT ORMD label as well as more bulk food. And plates. And a carrier. And. and. and.)

Aesop said...

The actual pdf is more tame.
They know they can't compel anyone, and expect to entice well-intentioned volunteers into doing the sh*t jobs.

As if.

They know, down deep, that in a pandemic, everyone's gone.

THP Dallas lasted less than a month once two nurses caught Ebola.
Then the entire hospital closed.
For months.

Multiply that times every city and state, within 60 days.
Probably more like 30.

By then it'll be far too late to try and compel anyone to do anything.
The horse will have left that barn in a big way.
Ditto for the would-be overlords.

Anonymous said...

Now I'm REALLY regretting letting that big auction medical lot get away...