This little stunt should endear Russia to the world community for another century or so.
Looks like somebody in Moscow decided he had nothing left to lose.
Just a hunch, but I'd bet cash money serious discussions are happening in quiet SCIFs about the possibility of handing nuclear weapons to Zelensky to use at his discretion. It may never happen (one would hope not), but you can bet it's being talked about.
Just saying: This download may come in handy. Your call.
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Jumping ahead of the facts again Aesop?
Source was Ukranian Pravda if you looked a bit deeper.
And YES, throwing some nukes into the hands of Ukraine should do nicely.
For massive depopulation of the western world.
Going thru some of the fever swamps of the internet this morning, I saw that something called "Tru News" had a piece about former Russian president Dmitry Medvedev saying that Russia might hire a hitman to kill uber RINO Lindsey Graham: https://tv.gab.com/watch?v=64767b1cc239d3efa8e401c0
As much as I'm a supporter of Ukraine, I have to confess that Graham getting the Trotsky earwax treatment by Russians would give me the impetus to switch allegiance, at least briefly.
Regarding the attack on the dam. I'm starting to see the reactions by the Putin fan club, but I'm not going to waste time reading their comments. I've relegated sites such as Big Country, Filthie, and WRSA to my dregs' list, seating them next to the comic book king and anonymous a$$hole.
I'd rather spend my time doing useful things such as running my R/C 1/6th scale Tiger II around the neighborhood with the loud cannon and machine gun sounds...
Events in this war have, time after time, been later shown to not be as first reported.
Ghost of Kiev.
Snake Island.
Two Weeks of Fuel.
Dental Gold.
Nordstream Pipeline.
Is this different? I don’t know. Probably none of us do.
(Zelensky's) Ukraine attacked itself.
~ Clayton ~
Gaslighting Reality again, Michael?
Sources are every media outlet in the known world.
Putin's obvious desperation and casual disregard for entire populations to avoid the inevitable 9mm stroke awaiting him is getting too big for even you to overlook much longer.
Time will tell Aesop, just like so many other Ukranian announcement.
Would it harm you to look into the story just a bit to SEE where your OH so GREAT Media is getting the Story FROM?
Me, I'm just keeping a bottle of sunscreen 3000 ready.
The sunscreen is a good idea, for just in case.
Imagining that all the satellites in space - on multiple sides - can't see the dam in real time, and that the story of a dam's collapse has been faked, probably not so much.
And I already looked, before this was posted, and confirmed it from literally 27 sources, from around the globe.
But maybe there's an American carrier group or surveillance aircraft within 1000 miles The Usual Suspects will try to use as a scapegoat, yet again.
I'm going with soccer rules here: when your end of a dam suddenly goes away, you own that.
The alternative is for anyone to point to Putin's long humanitarian history of proactively preventing disasters and protecting civilian lives by...nope, sorry, couldn't even type that without bursting out in laughter.
This is worth your time, regardless of whose propaganda media you prefer.
https://youtu.be/v-rHBRwdql8
Josey Wales
Then there’s this…
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kievs-long-term-last-resort-plan-blow-kakhova-dam-exposed
Question: Why would Russia destroy the only dam on the Dnieper River that would immediately flood the area it controls when there are 5 dams up river under Ukrainian control? Maybe the Russians are just plain stupid as shown by their destruction of Nord Stream Pipeline and now this? My bet is that the midget comedian is getting a good laugh at our expense, expense, expense...
I've never understood the argument that one or the other side of this conflict is the "good guy" - just because Ukraine is a corrupt shithole secretly run by a former Nazi who spent billions attacking the former Ally powers doesn't mean former KGB agent run Rusland is some sort of awesome place. I don't support fighting for Ukraine but to do that I don't have to suck off Russia.
@Anon 1:24P,
Why would Russia invade a sovereign country in a dispute over land it had already half-ass annexed in 2014, just to destroy 50% of its own ground combat capability, become a world pariah, and expose its massive military ineptitude, in the biggest military and diplomatic own-goal in history since Operation Barbarossa in 1941, or the Spanish Armada in 1588?
You're assuming both tactical and strategic military and geopolitical competence and rule by common sense from Russia, something supported by no available evidence at any time since at least February of 2022.
Re-plot your question in light of real-world experience.
From all my reading of commentary over the course of this conflict I have come to the conclusion (for us Westerners) that people either consciously or unconsciously identify this as a conflict between the GAE and a relatively unthreatening far off power. One side are die hard supporters of the GAE from all OUTSIDE threats, and the other is so disgusted by the GAE they are eager to see the GAE humbled even at the hands of a foriegn power. I think it really is just depends if a person is still in love with 'Western democracy' or if they have finally come to the understanding of the cancer that it is.
Aesop it's not in question the bridge was damaged.
The question is who did it. No amazing number of satellites can speak to the attacker.
It's not in question that Ukraine has attacked this bridge earlier this year with American weapons.
Cui Bono comes to mind.
Don't trust either side on this one, especially since the Ukies hit the dam previously with a missile.
My comment get nuked? All I said was I really enjoyed that book in the download link. I've got the dead tree version.
I'm going to get a better copy. My only complaint is the photocopy blueprints and diagrams. It gives a lot of good information about radiation and atomic weapons.
The expedient shelters were really cool. In fact I'm thinking about constructing one. With better materials and a few comforts to improve quality of life in the shelter.
That's the first comment I've seen from you, C.
@JW,
Yeah they hit it with a missile. Once. To see if they could.
And months later, a week after they started pushing into Russia's so-called defensive line both downstream and upstream in Luhansk, the dam - completely in Russian control since last year - fails from Suddenly™.
There are no coincidences in world events.
@Anon 3:29,
"it's not in question the bridge was damaged"
You should have a chat with Michael before you make those kind of blanket assertions.
He seemed pretty certain that it was all smoke and mirrors.
And actually, it's not "damaged".
The dam has completely given way.
At the Russiam end of a bridge they destroyed to prevent Ukraine from crossing it.
I'm sure that's just a wild coincidence.
Cui bono?
1) How well do you suppose a Ukrainian assault across the river is going to go for Ukraine with a raging flood in progress down 50 miles of the Dnieper all the way to the Black Sea, and the entire lake upstream a sea of impassible mud? Cui bono? Russia.
2) Even after the flood subsides, the flotsam and jetsam debris field below the collapse would take months to years to try and breach (if it's ever even possible), the flood having formed the greatest abattis since a meteorite hit Tunguska in 1908. The reservoir upstream will be a giant mud pit for years to come. Cui bono? Russia.
3) How many spare resources does Ukraine have to deal with a major catastrophe, including the total evacuation of every swinging Richard from 50 miles downstream, and the subsequent refugee problem, amidst a war for national survival? Cui bono? Russia.
4) Russia's been evacuating their pitiful few local supporters from Kherson and now Crimea since last fall, and now, as Ukraine has begun to move on Crimea and the eastern-most oblasts of Ukraine, Vlad leaves them with a peninsula with no power, no water, and a potential second Chernobyl situation. This was the same way they retreated in 1941.
Cui bono? Russia.
And FTR, Russia has already bombed three dams since they began their invasion: two others in Ukraine, and one in Moldova. So it's not like they have any scruples about dams, nor feel any shred of obedience to the Geneva Conventions stipulations about war crimes.
Let me know when the penny drops.
The funny thing about the "Time will tell" argument is
1) it's always the Russian shills saying it
2) time DOES tell; in retrospect and with greater info, the original Ukrainian account is always pretty close to what can be measured as actually having happened, and the Russian account is always wild hallucination and projection
Whenever Russia accuses anybody of anything, it's of something the Russians are already doing.
I don't know which group is responsible for this, but whomever they are, they deserve the award for being 'The Biggest Dickhead in the World'. So much misery caused to people who will have their world turned upside down. Completely indiscriminate. Going to cause a large migration to other areas which may not be able to handle the refugees.
I haven't seen any numbers of death for this yet but maybe my news sources just aren't interested in finding out.
Must have been an internet glitch. I'm just trying to figure out how to meet energy needs for food preparation and a better way to maintain a supply of clean water. As much as I'd like to, I can't afford a pallet of filter cartridges at the moment. Time to comb this blog's archives
The best comment on Kakhovka I’ve seen perhaps comes from @CheburekiMan on Twitter: “Restoring water flow to the North Crimean Canal was top priority for Russia, the very first act of the SMO [Special Military Operation]. Before Kiev shut off the flow in 2014, the canal was supplying 85% of Crimea’s water. So much depended on it, from crops to industry to drinking water, that’s how important it is. Now the pro-Ukraine bleating sheep want people to believe that Russia would wreck the dam, empty the reservoir and cause serious harm to its own people by running the canal dry. It’s so bonkers that one has to seriously consider such ideas are the result of brain damage, or perhaps fetal alcohol syndrome.”
You mean handing nukes *back* to Zelensky, after the US and several others refused under Obama to enforce the Minsk Accords, and let the Russians know about it. Which is what should have happened under Trump but did not for some reason. If Ukraine had the nuclear weapons it had prior to the Minsk Accords, Russia wouldn't have dared invading.
If you're up to it, here's some interesting reading: https://tec.fsi.stanford.edu/docs/aleksandr-dugins-foundations-geopolitics Note the publication date, also note what Putin has been doing since, say, 2000.
@Michael:
OBE.
CheburekiMan's response overlooks that Russia was about to lose everything, including Crimea, and that destroying the dam in light of that makes perfect sense if it's going to be your enemy's problem in a couple of weeks.
Russia has practiced scorched earth retreats for only a few centuries.
And both the flood, and draining the largest reservoir in the region, creates an impenetrable abatis and mud swamp for years, making 100 miles of current frontier, and the bridgehead across the Dnieper already established by Ukraine, indefensible and untenable.
So just a suggestion:
maybe get penetrating and insightful military analysis someplace other than Twits on Twatter, who overlook things that obvious.
https://youtu.be/9-I5Eu5F7_w
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