I doubt it. America, specifically American politicians, lack the guts for this. Their goal is the destruction of the US. They'd give aid and comfort to the Mexicans.
There is a WHOLE BUNCH of skin-headed white sidewall-wearing guys (and a few SERIOUS BULL DAGGERS) over at 8th and I who have worked out the easiest and fastest way to get the morons and idjits to LEAD the charge, whether they REALLY wanted to do this or not.
Nowhere in this post did I mention Israel, Gaza, or the JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS!!!!! So all you're doing is revealing your own inner demons when you extrapolate from them.
The only relevant statistic in this thought exercise, for any situation, anywhere on the planet, is a sneak attack of hundreds of rockets into one's civilian populations, of any size.
If you can postulate when that sort of thing would be excusable, let alone justifiable, take a whack at it. Here's a handy reference tool upon which to base your eructations: https://irp.fas.org/doddir/army/fm27-10.pdf If you cannot support that thesis, you're just stepping on your own wedding tackle with cleats on, and letting us know how much you miss midnight cross-burning parties with your friends and neighbors.
Trust me: that's never a good look for anyone.
The last three times anything like that happened to the U.S., we laid waste to three separate countries, two of them for decades, and nuked one of them twice, and no one has said shit to show any of that was mad over-reaction, neither then nor now.
"The last three times anything like that happened to the U.S., we laid waste to three separate countries, two of them for decades, and nuked one of them twice, and no one has said shit to show any of that was mad over-reaction, neither then nor now."
Aesop, 20yrs ago I would have said 'How right you are'. These days I am not so sure. I don't detect a BlackJack Pershing among our current crop of flag officers. At least nothing visible. Worse, our political class might not even care that San Diego was wasted except for the fact they can collect 10% off some of the cash that would head to the district for reconstruction.
Simarlarly, if a group of foreign [Mexican or whoever] standing by the roadside were to throw rocks on passing traffic, in the American West that I once knew, the Police would use shotguns to solve the problem...
The Samson Option has had exactly Jack and Shit to do with "nuking all world capitols", since ever.
1) They don't have that capability now, and never did. You could look it up. 2) That's never been anyone's plan, least of all Israel's, by any account.
The actual Samson Option is to send a nuke or three into the respective capitols of their millenia-long Arab and Persian enemies, all of which have been within striking distance for some years, and all of whom have participated in Operation Kill The Jooooos! anywhere from 1 to 20 times in just the last 70 years.
Damascus. Amman. Cairo. Beirut. Riyadh. Baghdad. &c. Teheran and beyond was added just a few years ago, when Trump sold Israel air-to-air refueling ability for the first time. Capability dictates intentions. Erdogan seems to want to get Ankara added to that list, which has some effect on Russia, NATO, and some other geo-political implications. You might have heard about that.
That option is Israel's, in case they're ever forced to ask the Muslim world just how bad they really want to play the "Let's Kill All Jooooooooos!!!" Game.
None of that demands nor requires a single American life, and I was unaware of anyone not frothingly mad suggesting we send anyone there. (FTR, anyone suggesting we send any US troops there is, by definition, frothingly mad, in a clinical sense.)
Besides that, the idea that what happens there stays there has been true exactly zero times in world history for the last 6000 years. (cont.)
(cont.) Gasoline was 38¢/gallon the summer of '73. It spiked rather higher shortly thereafter. Those of you alive at the time, or capable of reading beyond "graphic novels", can explain to the Baby Ducks in the audience why that changed, and how it had some wee effect on world events far from the region in the intervening half-century, starting with almost leading to a direct nuclear confrontation with your Soviet heartthrobs and man-crushes from 50 years ago.
The idea that this is a purely local problem is risibly childish, for only about 10,000 reasons. As is the idea that we'd want or need to send anyone to the region to do anything but convince the parties involved to knock that shit right off, something we've only been doing since at least the 1950s, beginning under Saint Eisenhower.
As for fighting it out themselves, both sides have been ready and willing to do just that, all by themselves, for about 6000 years. They don't need any American military members to help them with that effort, nor have needed any, at any point in time.
By all accounts, Netanyahu's plan is to raze Gaza to the ground, and push the Egyptian Arabs that live there back to their home country. 50 years late, to be sure, but you play the hand you're dealt. The Jordanian Arabs in the West Bank can decide whether they like their homes on the west side of the Jordan River, or want to be moved back to Jordan proper as well. Not having launched missile attacks on Israel, I suspect their answer is already in hand. Last I heard, the Lebanese Arabs already made their choice too, and got dealt with rather harshly. Total American troops required to date: zero.
Meanwhile, you've been taxed directly for the last 45 years to the tune of $4B/year since the late 1970s, just to bribe Israel and Egypt to stop fucking with each other. (The fact that Israel had captured the entire Egyptian field armies in a fire sack, the Eqyptian field commander had surrendered, and Israel was marching on defenseless Cairo by land unopposed, after defeating them militarily for the fourth or fifth time in 30 years at the time, and Egypt quite obviously couldn't defend itself from the Boy Scouts on a good day, was a sweetener to the eventual deal.)
So we've already got US$180,000,000,000 in payoffs (since back when $180B was considered a lot of money) giving us some say, and leverage, in what goes down on both sides.
If any of that's news to anyone, they're really not tall enough for this discussion.
I suspect some serious arm-twisting is going on, reminding Egypt's government that if they want to forego the money, and revert to how it was for them from 1948-1980, they can walk away from that deal.
But hey, if anyone seriously thinks that what happens in that region doesn't affect them directly, well, good luck with that outlook.
"Gasoline was 38¢/gallon the summer of '73." The lasting effects. Well try this on, the American vehicle fleet is now dominated by 4cyl vehicles. Only a small sliver are V8s and that can be attributed mostly to trucks of various types.
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I doubt it. America, specifically American politicians, lack the guts for this. Their goal is the destruction of the US. They'd give aid and comfort to the Mexicans.
Under those circumstances, they'd find themselves chained to the bows of those tanks' hulls.
I don't care what the Israelis do over there. I see no need for us to be involved. Not my circus, not my monkeys.
Now ya got me thinkin', Aesop. Do you have any idea where a fellow might get 4,000 missiles for the Mexicans?
There is a WHOLE BUNCH of skin-headed white sidewall-wearing guys (and a few SERIOUS BULL DAGGERS) over at 8th and I who have worked out the easiest and fastest way to get the morons and idjits to LEAD the charge, whether they REALLY wanted to do this or not.
Night Driver
To whom it may concern:
Nowhere in this post did I mention Israel, Gaza, or the JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS!!!!!
So all you're doing is revealing your own inner demons when you extrapolate from them.
The only relevant statistic in this thought exercise, for any situation, anywhere on the planet, is a sneak attack of hundreds of rockets into one's civilian populations, of any size.
If you can postulate when that sort of thing would be excusable, let alone justifiable, take a whack at it.
Here's a handy reference tool upon which to base your eructations:
https://irp.fas.org/doddir/army/fm27-10.pdf
If you cannot support that thesis, you're just stepping on your own wedding tackle with cleats on, and letting us know how much you miss midnight cross-burning parties with your friends and neighbors.
Trust me: that's never a good look for anyone.
The last three times anything like that happened to the U.S., we laid waste to three separate countries, two of them for decades, and nuked one of them twice, and no one has said shit to show any of that was mad over-reaction, neither then nor now.
Ponder that whilst you suckle your thumbs.
"The last three times anything like that happened to the U.S., we laid waste to three separate countries, two of them for decades, and nuked one of them twice, and no one has said shit to show any of that was mad over-reaction, neither then nor now."
Aesop, 20yrs ago I would have said 'How right you are'. These days I am not so sure. I don't detect a BlackJack Pershing among our current crop of flag officers. At least nothing visible. Worse, our political class might not even care that San Diego was wasted except for the fact they can collect 10% off some of the cash that would head to the district for reconstruction.
Simarlarly, if a group of foreign [Mexican or whoever] standing by the roadside were to throw rocks on passing traffic, in the American West that I once knew, the Police would use shotguns to solve the problem...
Aesop, you're not making sense.
BCE is.
https://bigcountryexpat.com/index.php/2023/10/09/why-should-we-care-i-know-i-dont-and-neither-should-you/
BCE isn't making sense.
As I just noted.
Point of Order:
The Samson Option has had exactly Jack and Shit to do with "nuking all world capitols", since ever.
1) They don't have that capability now, and never did. You could look it up.
2) That's never been anyone's plan, least of all Israel's, by any account.
The actual Samson Option is to send a nuke or three into the respective capitols of their millenia-long Arab and Persian enemies, all of which have been within striking distance for some years, and all of whom have participated in Operation Kill The Jooooos! anywhere from 1 to 20 times in just the last 70 years.
Damascus.
Amman.
Cairo.
Beirut.
Riyadh.
Baghdad.
&c.
Teheran and beyond was added just a few years ago, when Trump sold Israel air-to-air refueling ability for the first time.
Capability dictates intentions.
Erdogan seems to want to get Ankara added to that list, which has some effect on Russia, NATO, and some other geo-political implications. You might have heard about that.
That option is Israel's, in case they're ever forced to ask the Muslim world just how bad they really want to play the "Let's Kill All Jooooooooos!!!" Game.
None of that demands nor requires a single American life, and I was unaware of anyone not frothingly mad suggesting we send anyone there.
(FTR, anyone suggesting we send any US troops there is, by definition, frothingly mad, in a clinical sense.)
Besides that, the idea that what happens there stays there has been true exactly zero times in world history for the last 6000 years.
(cont.)
(cont.)
Gasoline was 38¢/gallon the summer of '73.
It spiked rather higher shortly thereafter.
Those of you alive at the time, or capable of reading beyond "graphic novels", can explain to the Baby Ducks in the audience why that changed, and how it had some wee effect on world events far from the region in the intervening half-century, starting with almost leading to a direct nuclear confrontation with your Soviet heartthrobs and man-crushes from 50 years ago.
The idea that this is a purely local problem is risibly childish, for only about 10,000 reasons.
As is the idea that we'd want or need to send anyone to the region to do anything but convince the parties involved to knock that shit right off, something we've only been doing since at least the 1950s, beginning under Saint Eisenhower.
As for fighting it out themselves, both sides have been ready and willing to do just that, all by themselves, for about 6000 years. They don't need any American military members to help them with that effort, nor have needed any, at any point in time.
By all accounts, Netanyahu's plan is to raze Gaza to the ground, and push the Egyptian Arabs that live there back to their home country. 50 years late, to be sure, but you play the hand you're dealt.
The Jordanian Arabs in the West Bank can decide whether they like their homes on the west side of the Jordan River, or want to be moved back to Jordan proper as well. Not having launched missile attacks on Israel, I suspect their answer is already in hand.
Last I heard, the Lebanese Arabs already made their choice too, and got dealt with rather harshly.
Total American troops required to date: zero.
Meanwhile, you've been taxed directly for the last 45 years to the tune of $4B/year since the late 1970s, just to bribe Israel and Egypt to stop fucking with each other.
(The fact that Israel had captured the entire Egyptian field armies in a fire sack, the Eqyptian field commander had surrendered, and Israel was marching on defenseless Cairo by land unopposed, after defeating them militarily for the fourth or fifth time in 30 years at the time, and Egypt quite obviously couldn't defend itself from the Boy Scouts on a good day, was a sweetener to the eventual deal.)
So we've already got US$180,000,000,000 in payoffs (since back when $180B was considered a lot of money) giving us some say, and leverage, in what goes down on both sides.
If any of that's news to anyone, they're really not tall enough for this discussion.
I suspect some serious arm-twisting is going on, reminding Egypt's government that if they want to forego the money, and revert to how it was for them from 1948-1980, they can walk away from that deal.
But hey, if anyone seriously thinks that what happens in that region doesn't affect them directly, well, good luck with that outlook.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Suez_Canal_obstruction
Reality is a bitch of a teacher.
And she uses a cane across the face to reinforce lessons rather frequently.
"Gasoline was 38¢/gallon the summer of '73." The lasting effects. Well try this on, the American vehicle fleet is now dominated by 4cyl vehicles. Only a small sliver are V8s and that can be attributed mostly to trucks of various types.
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