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Angus and I are still going back and forth on professional licensure, barriers to entry, etc. His points are worth noting, and merit proper consideration.
As my latest reply is really too long for a comment there (or anywhere else), I post it here:
I absolutely understand barriers to entry, including both intended and unintended consequences to same.
In the original example you've cited, that's exactly what was in play. It was also gross stupidity to no intelligent purpose whatsoever. It demonstrably encouraged fraud, by creating an attractive nuisance in letting someone completely untrained, unlicensed, and uncertified demonstrate excellence in a position where obviously no professionalism (nor basic morality) was in any way needful to meet and surpass the employer's needs or expectations.
In 90% or more (if not 99+%) of registered nursing jobs, that barrier to entry is both necessary and prudent.
You've cited an outlier where it was neither. I can generally count those on my thumbs.
The tip-off to that is anyone doing a job so well despite a total lack of training or education, they were being considered for a "charge nurse" position after mere months. (That's granting that the media report(s) we're relying on for the example was anything close to accurate and correct. The Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect says that's pure hopeium in play, but that's another issue.)
I wasn't citing the shortage of nurses as refutation that a barrier exists, I cited it to point out that erecting that barrier over positions that don't need it is immensely stupid and clearly makes no sense. It's like requiring an electrical engineering degree for a job changing common 60W light bulbs - asinine and pointless, to no discernible benefit to anyone: not the end user, the employer, the employee, nor to any person or reason articulable or imagined.
It's quite simply stupidity in action.
IOW, most of what bad HR does pretty much every day of the week.
There's barriers to entry for brain surgery too, and we generally don't consider them a drawback.
When someone requires the same level of barriers to entry for the person who cuts and combs your hair as they do for neurosurgery, however, it's obviously become asinine.
Your example was the latter, by a country mile.
That example is so narrow in the field specified as to require measurement with an electron microscope.
What it's not, is proof that that's either the trend, nor even common practice.
There was once a time when anyone could claim the title "nurse". It was generally either nuns, or hookers too old to pull clients.
This was back when "doctors" had less medical expertise than that currently possessed by a reasonably intelligent paramedic, and the death rate from "medical practice" of all types was commensurately horrible.
Current barriers to entry in the entire medical field, be it licensure, education, etc. is a net plus, otherwise the hue and cry to get rid of them would be deafening.
While there are endless examples of times and places where barriers to entry to any field may be flat-out idiotic (as the original one you cited), in the medical field in general, including nursing, it's a positive boon to all concerned.
The alternative is hiring African witch doctors off the street, and according them co-equal status, which is like letting retards who can't grasp grade-school math hang out a CPA shingle.
Was there a barrier to entry for a position in the original example? Yes.
Was it needless, pointless, and egregiously stupid? Also yes.
Does it therefore prove that barriers to entry are therefore always pointless and stupid? Absolutely anything but. I don't think you were or are arguing that.
And that example is so breathtakingly stupid and rare anywhere in the medical arts that calling it "remarkable" is where using that word falls far short of accuracy.
The only thing I can see is that it also beggars the word "moronic" when describing the employment entity and management of same precisely for requiring licensure for a position far in excess of requirements, as well as in violation of basic common sense and napkin-math economics.
But that's really about all it does.
FTR in anything medical, the rule is generally the exact opposite, to wit letting people far less than competent do things far beyond their abilities or preparation, whether it's letting techs perform procedures without anything but a brief OJT, or state medical boards letting anyone practice plastic surgery with nothing more than having graduated medical school, both of which examples are the exact opposite of barriers to entry. And with predictable outcomes.
For another example of the problem with lack of barriers to entry, currently, the only barrier to entry to riding an e-bike hereabouts is someone (or someone's parents) having the means to purchase one. No age limits, no license required, no training regimen prescribed, nothing. Consequently, anyone who can reach the handlebars can ride one, and in a year or two, e-bikes have moved into the Top Five causes for trauma visits to local ERs, and we see 1-5 cases a day, nearly every day, since e-bikes first hit the stores.
They're like handing out live hand grenades to toddlers, and wondering what will happen.
In both cases, carnage.
It's a situation absolutely begging for barriers to entry, where the item in question should require no less training, licensure, and safety equipment (i.e. a helmet) than that required to legally ride a motorcycle on city streets. Just to keep the accident toll down to single digit percentages.
Until that happens, letting anyone ride e-bikes is simply the unwritten Orthopedic And Trauma Surgeon's Full Employment Act of 2005.
In a fair world, they'd also require that anyone injured by riding one recklessly be cared for only by "doctors" and "nurses" with no licensure or certification to practice as such.
Sauce for the gander, and turnabout is fair play.
FTR, I'm also fine with only caring for drug overdoses and drunks with specific specialty hospitals staffed solely by personnel absolutely working while high as f**k, and/or with a blood alcohol level three times the legal limit.
It would be hilarious on pay-per-view, and give us something to do with all the doctors and nurses with revoked licenses for substance use, while having Darwin's acolytes rolling on the floor in fits of laughter.
Just like comedian Gallagher's plan for giving all those houses under the airport's flight path to deaf people.
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Personal question. What is your observational opinion of women in Emergency Medical Services? Have a 12yo granddaughter showing interest, such that it is for that age. Thx.
Anyone that can do the job and wants to, should go for it.
If it isn't their cup of tea, they'll find out soon enough, and no amount of money makes the job worth doing.
And it isn't going to be pushed out by the imaginary AI wave, it can't be shipped to India, and health and common sense aren't going to break out everywhere, so the demand isn't going anywhere within anyone's lifespan.
Human stupidity is a constant, and the planetary population is growing, so it's job security for life, and one of the most portable occupational fields in existence, at every rung of the employment ladder from tech to trauma surgeon.
And helping people, up to and including saving their lives, isn't a bad superpower to have, as opposed to shuffling papers or droning in a cubicle.
Hope that answers your (and her) questions.
It can't be shipped to India but India can be shipped here to do the job. My boss was recently replaced by a Pakistani. The guy is obviously somebody's relative. So far we are able to just nod affirmatively at him and do our jobs. It is very hard not to do an eye roll when he says "Morning Y'all" with a Bollywood accent.
One thing I've noticed is that the H1B's can speak English OK but have trouble with reading comprehension. Some instructions clearly say don't do ABC and they do ABC.
The problem is that immoral people control the licensing. It's not just nursing. It's any field that has a good lobbyist. And when said lobbyists conspire with the educational system you get stratospheric entry costs. When I went to college a person could go to the same college for a two year degree, intern at a good local hospital and become an RN. It took aptitude and dedication. Boatloads of it. But it was doable. 30 something years later it takes a masters degree. Why? Did they release newer, more complicated patients? Nope, the gatekeepers figured out how to charge more rent. And the educational system got their cut of the action by getting more tuition and indoctrination time. Some barriers to entry are good. It keeps the unqualified from destroying an industry. But eventually legitimate barriers become gatekeeping to protect a career rental scheme. Every time, because, human nature... Check out the history of labor guilds in Europe. Eventually they all devolved into a power struggle because of greed.
Heinlein was right, don't bet on Kings and Aces, bet on human nature. Bet that the guy across the table is greedy. You'll win a lot more often than you lose if you bet that way.
No place in 50 states or 7 US territories requires a master's degree to become an RN. The 2-year ADN route you described is still in full effect everywhere. And getting the BSN after that can be done online, in about a year's time.
The only time a master's degree is required is for Nurse Practitioners, Certified Registered Nurse Anesthetists, and nursing school FT faculty. That's probably less than 3% of nursing jobs nationwide, total. Magnet hospitals require a BSN for most new hires. Everybody else takes anyone with a current valid license and a pulse.
The problem in this case was quite simply someone totally lacking in judgement, character, or professionalism, or basic morality, coupled with the most lackadaisical hospital manglement I've heard of since Duke Uni tried to cover up for one of their nurses who killed her patient with a medication error that required about a 75 IQ to pull off. More to come on this shortly...
This is a capitalist argument. If there were no “barrier to entry” (in this case certification or licensure) required to achieve the same results, a company could pay the employee less - and they most definitely would do so.
In the scenario being discussed, an RN is hired by the hospital to do a job because they are the cheapest option that provides the least liability. Liability is determined by insurance and lawyers which is most certainly backed up by real data. My $.02
Proposing this case as an example of a "barriers to entry" problem is wrong.
This was straight out medical malpractice by dint of fraud.
No more, no less.
The defendant better hope the feds are as magnanimous as the county, which is only charging 14 counts at 5 years @.
They could have charged over 4400 counts on several charges, but simply wanted to keep the trial manageable.
They also didn't charge for >4000 counts of medical battery by fraud for personal gain, which are each 5 yr felonies@.
The feds can charge >4000 HIPPA violations, with fines topping $1.5M to the defendant, and a like amount to the hospital, plus prison time to the person committing the crimes.
Then the state can pile on with hundreds to thousands of counts of handling prescription meds without a license, each one a one year misdemeanor, and the DEA could do the same for any schedule narcotics, then pile on by decertifying the hospital's pharmacy for failure to use due diligence, and the person in question could be looking at hundreds of years of federal time after she does 14-70 years or more in FL state prison. The hospital would go out of business.
Then there are federal charges for fraud by identity theft for personal gain.
That's before a conga line of lawyers with civil cases for anything up to 4400 cases of battery and malpractice comes after her and the hospital that let her work without anything but piss-poor due diligence as to her qualifications.
"Fake it till you make it" with a professional medical license, as it turns out, is not a harmless mistake, and the defendant did all of this willfully and knowingly for months.
She isn't someone caught for simply not jumping through the hoops, she's a straight up felon caught in flagrante, and the poster child for someone who should never have any professional license to do anything again.
Life, as she knows it, is over, and after a good stretch in prison, the best she can hope for is janitorial or dishwashing jobs until she dies in poverty.
Exactly as originally noted.
Calling this example out as a "barrier to entry" problem is exactly like citing a person arrested for 4400 counts of burglary, then decrying the use of door locks by homeowners, and the unfairness of laws against felonious larceny, because they were living the life of a solid citizen until their crimes were discovered.
And just as asinine.
I was agreeing with your point. The “barrier to entry” problem exists in the form of licensure (and should). RN’s don’t have in depth pharmacology training, but they have a basic enough understanding to catch the difference between 4g of mgso4 and 4g of Mso4 (people have died from this mistake). This is not something necessarily taught in lower levels. She didn’t have a license because she wasn’t qualified to do the job. Yes, it goes deeper than that. But the point was that the license is what ensures the “lowest allowable skill set” is met. That’s problem one.
Problem number 2 is with your hospital system and boss, for hiring someone without ensuring that they actually had the paperwork to show they had that “lowest allowable skill set”. But that seems to be an IQ problem within the hiring ranks(where I suspect there is no barrier to entry).
Your door lock example backs up my point. You’re going to have a lot more difficult time suing the lock company if their lock failed to work because it didn’t pass inspection, than if the lock broke after it passed a 15 point inspection and was the 1/1000000 that failed.
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