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| "A wicked ruler will burn his own country down, to rule over the ashes." - Sun Tzu |
[Addendum: The biggest pity of Dresden was that we didn't do it to 20 other cities. You gutless anonymous neo-Nazis, pining for Adolf, and trying to post your unsigned screeds here don't get that half the reason I do memes like this one is to drive you to fling your feces and impotently rattle your cage bars. Truman had it right: It must have been a Jew that organized the KKK, because only a Jew could sell a bunch of dumb crackers a $2 nightshirt and pillowcase with eyeholes for $14. Enjoy continuing to suck on that. Drop by when you have the balls to take off your pillowcases and sign your posts.]
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Im pretty sure at that point they were just trying not to be communists. So we helped with that too.
Dresden was where most of the remaining factories were located in Germany at that time that was providing weapons and munitions to Hitlers Army. Of course it was a legitimate target and the civilians by their choice or by Germanys force were part of the fighting machine killing U.S. and allied soldiers. You can't have it both ways; fighting and supporting fighters and claiming "civilian" status. The, so called, Palestinians are learning that too.
oh, stop it. when I was in Dresden in 2011, postcards were prevalent with info on the "cruel bombing of Feb 13/14,1945"
Well, at that time, American/Canadian and Brit POWs were force marched in seven columns thru the coldest winter weather from Szubin Poland to POW camps in Germany. The left Szubin in mid Jan, it took over 40 days. they had little food, some had no coats, many died. When they got to the camps in Germany the situation wasnt much better, then the Russians "liberated" them by taking the remaining food and blankets. The camp my dad was in was told they would be loaded out on rail cars for Odessa. My dad didnt wait, he risked his life and escaped, repatriated to the Americans on April 21.
So I have a little trouble ginning up sympathy for the "Cruel Bombing". They need to be reminded that WAR IS HELL.
So it goes.
Dresden was bad, Tokoyo was horrendous as to results. Maybe we should have a 'LeMay Day' as well. Those guys in the 11th Air Wing were sneaky. They would send a recon plane out to gather weather data. Planning would then adjust the IP to be upwind of the majority of buildings. The subsequent fire storm would do the rest.
You say "Dresden", I say "Warsaw" "Rotterdam" "Coventry"....
Don't like those? How about "Auschwitz", "Dachau" "Treblinka"...
Don't start nothin', won't be nothin'...
My dad was a B-17 pilot with the 447th Bomb Group. He flew 35 combat missions over Europe.
http://www.447bg.com/
During my Army hitch in West Germany, I walked the grounds of Dachau. Been getting the same vibe here for some time now.
Von Clausewitz said that this was how you ended a war - remove the will of the people to fight.
Motorhead had a song "bomber" about the WW2 british bomber crews. they left it out of the set when they played Dresden, figuring they'd get their asses kicked.
the metalheads of dresden demanded the song be played.
Because we shoot to kill
And you know we always will
It's a bomber, it's a bomber
Scream a thousand miles
Hear the black death rising, moan
Firestorm coming closer
Napalm to the bone
Because you know we do it right
A mission every night
It's a bomber, it's a bomber, it's a bomber, oh yeah
No night fighter
Gonna stop us getting through
The sirens make you shiver
You bet my aim is true
Because you know we aim to please
Bring you to your knees
It's a bomber, it's a bomber, it's a bomber
Hey, hey
hitler was a retard. He might have had a fighting chance if he hadn't jumped on the "death to America" bandwagon after Pearl Harbor. The SCARY part is the sheer number of german retards willing to follow him off the cliff. There's a book entitled "The Banality of Evil" that should be required middle school reading. It's about the historical ability of an evil regime (sound familiar?) to turn decent men and women into absolute monsters using propaganda and popular opinion.
Lol no,
Not trying to be contentious but in the run up to America entering the war there was the American Bund. They had a following. Freedom requires vigilance.
lol no,
are you familiar with the survey done in germany in 1939 by geoffrey pyke?
https://www.inventricity.com/geoffrey-pyke-inventor-genius
"In 1938 he reached the conclusion, like so many others, that there would soon be war. What set Pyke apart was his subsequent decision to find a way to stop it. In the summer of 1939 he sent into Nazi Germany a team of undercover pollsters disguised as eccentric English tourists. Pyke had tasked them with conducting a Gallup poll into the question of whether Germans really supported Hitler’s war-mongering. Amazingly, none of these undercover pollsters was arrested by the Gestapo. By mid-August 1939 the survey was on course to demonstrate scientifically that most Germans were anti-war. Everything was going perfectly until, that was, Germany invaded Poland."
General Patton has entered the chat.
You haven't proven what you think; rather instead that the survey was invalid.
Otherwise, where were all those imaginary anti-war Germans in 1940?
Modern people who mistake their model for the actual terrain are the Globull Warmist climastrologists.
@Hedge,
Prime Minister Clemenceau has entered the chat.
@aesop (I was replying to "lol no" above, but it is what it is)
I've proven that a minority can get the majority to do things that they would ordinarily not do to go-along-to-get-along. crowd dynamics. herd mentality. call it whatever you want. the majority of germans were not nazis, but the nazis created the impression they were a majority. so the rest followed.
the survey was valid, but inertia can invalidate public opinion, and inertia can be created by a small amount of movement over time. once the war had started, Dresden (and hiroshima, nagasaki, tokyo, ect) were the end point, and there was little anyone could do to stop it.
"the avalanche has already started. it is too late for the pebbles to vote."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1GF4Gnb-D0
an avalanche can be started by a single pebble, but once moving, the pebbles cannot stop it until it reaches the end. the end may not be where you thought it would be, but it is always downhill from the beginning.
honestly, I think moscow is downhill from kyiv these days. they would like us to think otherwise. a pebble in a tin can can make a lot of noise. but it does not change the avalanche.
or, for a less futuristic take on the small winning over the large...
"During the American Revolution, the active forces in the field against the King's tyranny never amounted to more than 3% of the colonists. They were in turn actively supported by perhaps 10% of the population. In addition to these revolutionaries were perhaps another 20% who favored their cause but did little or nothing to support it. Another one-third of the population sided with the King (by the end of the war there were actually more Americans fighting FOR the King than there were in the field against him) and the final third took no side, blew with the wind and took what came."
Mike Vanderboegh,The Three Percent Catechism http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2014/06/a-brief-three-percent-catechism.html
Love me some Motorhead
@ allen
And that study changed the outcome of "going along to get along" how, exactly?...
@LOL no
it didn't change the outcome, because it was done too late. the fact that it was done at all was a major achievement, and gave us a snapshot of what germany was thinking right before they were thrown into war.
had it been done in 1937, and released in 1938, like Pyke originally wanted, it may have changed the perception of a nazi majority.
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