If you think you're going to argue and reason them out of this position, which they did not argue and reason themselves INTO in the first place,
rather than eventually have to end up shooting them in the face, I have a bridge to sell you.
We're dealing with madness in rabid dogs.
That always ever has only one recourse, of unfortunate necessity.
What you tell yourself at night, to get to sleep, is your business.
Cold daylight realities are liable to be another matter entirely, unless contrary to all available evidence, they start shaking off their rabid delusions for good. As it is, they show every sign of wanting to stay rabid, right up until the Ultimate Surprise about the community's sensibilities crosses their mind at about 3000fps.
Now do you understand the last two years? Getting the picture yet??