And here's proof, in living color:
"I’m throwing the BULLSHIT flag on you Aesop. No one has to train initially in “ideal conditions”… that just isn’t so nor does it produce a better warrior or whatever you are training for. You train initially and advanced in whatever conditions are present and in fact, in advanced training you intentionally make it increasingly more difficult.Well played.
For all this initial training under ideal conditions pablum… you get the participation trophy for last place.
There is always a good reason to train in difficult conditions even initial training, because when presented with the real situation you’ll fall back on your level of training and ultimately that was [the] point.
[Sumdood] is exactly right… and I’ll add “your not doing it right” if you aren’t cold, tired, wet, hungry and under pressure. And the “under pressure” is the most important part."
No one should ever initially learn how to do something under ideal conditions.
Everything should initially and always be done in the rain, at night, during winter, while cold, wet, hungry, tired, and in mud.
This is why all those artillery simulators are used to teach kids the alphabet. It's hard to sing your ABCs with the constant explosions, but the stress, plus having 5-year olds pissing themselves is how you gotta train them if they're ever going to write paragraphs. Nothing less works.
It's why they only teach driving in traffic circles in Tijuana, during cartel gunfights.
And why medical students learn anatomy during live IED explosions.
And why basic recruits are taught primary weapons disassembly on their faces in the mud, at night, with live machinegun tracers snapping over their heads. After undergoing BUDS Hell Week, to weed out the pussies.
And why EOD techs train on live, ticking bombs on Day One. In shopping malls, at Christmas.
And why fighter pilots are initially trained in current-generation front-line combat aircraft with instructors shooting live bullets at them during high-speed 1 vs. Multiple-enemy high-G engagements, just like always.
Only total candy-ass losers do it differently.
It must be true, I read it on the Internet.
Oh, wait,...none of that happens.
I repeat, NONE OF THAT EVER HAPPENS.
In fact, exactly as I stated not once, but twice, on the offending thread, you, me, and everyone you've ever known, read about, or heard of, was trained under the most ideal conditions initially, while well-rested, fed, and in bright, well-lit classrooms and lecture halls, SO THEY'LL HAVE SOME IDEA WTF THEY'RE DOING LATER when they increase stress and realism, let alone under actual real-world conditions.
Like has been done for thousands of years of recorded history, for everything from learning your letters to defusing bombs to flying jets.
Anyone who carps about that being soft is a functional moron when it comes to instruction, and a Wannabee Hardass with an insecurity complex about their own bona fides, whether in teaching, training, or anything involving the more martial arts.
Observe a brief lesson:
So, class, did a modicum of stress make the pupil above perform better, or worse?
No screaming eagle shit, Cochise. It made him far worse, in fact, barely functional at all.
Because he wasn't trained properly in the first place, under no-stress conditions.
Hence the admonition in the film "Train them properly, Major."
And the hoary but balls-on-accurate mantra: "Crawl, Walk, Run."
Long before you ever run under really shitty conditions with simulated (let alone life-and-death real) stress levels introduced.
Anyone who can't grasp this without a map and being led by the nose is too stupid to be teaching anyone anything (and probably not bright enough to learn the initial lesson themselves). It doubtless goes without saying that the number of people they've actually taught to do anything is probably a whole number less than 1, including themselves. If somehow anyone near them learned anything more complicated than shoe-tying, it will invariably be due to the innate intelligence of people to overcome the failings of their instructors, in much the same way that some public school graduates in this country can nonetheless read, write, and do sums. That's not a model to emulate.
So let's try that opening salvo again, this time with the brightness knob turned up to an IQ of 100, which is textbook average, instead of a Neanderthal level of 60:
"Well said, Aesop. Everyone has to train initially in “ideal conditions”, so you can produce a better warrior or whatever you are training for. You train initially slowly, simply, and with minimal interference, then in advanced training you intentionally make it increasingly more difficult by steady progression.For all this initial training under ideal conditions is what produces the repetition, muscle memory, and what have you so that when shit gets real, you don't get the participation trophy for last place.
There is no good reason to train in difficult conditions in initial training, because when presented with the real situation you’ll have been taught under increasingly realistic conditions such that falling back on your level of training means you'll still succeed, and ultimately the point is to be able to do it in real-world worst conditions.
You're exactly right… and I’ll add “you're not doing it right” if you're trying to do it from the get-go while cold, tired, wet, hungry and under pressure. That's max stupid. And the “under pressure” training is the last part you add, and only when you can do things right every way short of that. The way to Carnegie Hall is practice, practice, practice. No one plays Mozart and Beethoven until looooong after they mastered Chopsticks."
(And you, Stinky: pick up your bullshit flag, and use it to cork your piehole until you can flag down a clue. Real life grades much harder than I do. Just saying.)