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Apparently, in Common Core math, "bio lab" is the same thing as "bio warfare lab".
IRL, not so much.
Hot tip, kids: Just because you found supplies that can be purchased at Hobby Lobby in the science fair aisle, you have not uncovered a WMD development facility.
FTR, there are bio labs in every hospital in this country. Also in every college and university, nearly every high school, and even in most middle schools, FFS. There are 67 bio labs in the county I'm sitting in. Most of them do ordinary lab tests; none of them, AFAIK, are working on making chemical or biological weapons. Don't be a total fucktard and not get that.
And just because someone has a castor bean bush in their back yard, it doesn't mean they're making ricin.
Under this recockulous Theory Of Things, the local hardware store anywhere is a bomb-making factory.
Don't take my word for it: it's been US Army doctrine and common knowledge in the public domain since 1969.
So under the Underpants Gnome Theory of legitimate military targets, the Russians would be justified invading the US to rid us of Home Depot and Ace Hardware stores.
If people are going to keep doing this kind of thing, they should either swallow a periscope, or pull their heads out of their asses.
I can make blog topics from smart comments, or stupid ones. Which one you get depends on which kinds of answers are more entertaining for you, Gentle Readers.
Labs like that contribute knowledge for effective crop yields, and advances in animal husbandry. From my vantage point, Ukraine didn't become become a large food exporter by blind chance. If I had to guess, many of the labs are used for just that.
ReplyDeleteWhy is Victoria Nuland or Marco Rubio or hell, anyone, worried that Ivan will find a box of tongue depressors? I did not hear anyone at all concerned about securing CVS or Osco Drug before the Russians got their hands on all that aspirin.
ReplyDeleteFor the broken Qtards, everything is an exercise in confirmation bias. I swear they'd welcome a Russian invasion, and would probably fight on their side.
ReplyDeleteIt's an excuse about as obviously poor and sorry as Circleback Jen saying that it's really Putin responsible for high gas prices.
ReplyDeleteAnd sadly, all to many of the Putin simps think a Russian invasion of the USA would be a good thing, because the poor saps, suckers, dupes, and Quislings think Vladmir would be launching a Crusade against Wokeness. That he'd make Trump the God Emperor of Mankind. An idea about as poor and sorry as the American Communist who thought Stalin would save them from ebil Capitalism.
Aesop, a "biolab" can be as innocuous as a research lab at a biotech; I know, I work at a company with several. We have those dreaded "bacteria" that we are "experimenting" with, performing "genetic engineering" - in other words, we have well known established cell lines we are doing transformations on for medical purposes, the same as almost every other biotech in the world.
ReplyDeleteThe unfortunate thing is that every time something like this comes out, immediately the "it is a conspiracy" crowd turns out almost immediately instead of saying "Well, that is interesting. Perhaps we should learn more before making a judgement."
Did the way the Undersecretary of something announce it make is sound suspicious? Of course. But if we formed policies based on the unfortunate speech of every under-something of "X" department, we would effectively be in a high state of agitation all the time.
This makes more sense than most of what I've heard our of Europe recently.
ReplyDeleteThe bio warfare lab claims didn't add up to me.
Colonel Sanders was chicken.
ReplyDeleteThey missed Sean Penn.
ReplyDeleteIts quite possible that these labs were used for legitimate purposes and regardless we all could have done without this invasion.
ReplyDeleteStill I hope excuse me if I don't trust our side either after the amount of lies, misinformation nonsense and outright gaslighting that our government has been spewing on related topics for the last two years.
I'm no Q-Anon guys I know a psy-op when I see one.
Also while Putin is no Mr. Nice Guy he doesn't hate Christianity, isn't spending is spare time with Satanic performance artists, isn't a pedophile or deviant apologist and doesn't hate his native people and want to replace them.
That's better than a lot of US leaders and if he is doing it for his own selfish reasons? I don't care. He's no threat to the US unless we are a threat to him.
Now is he a threat to Europe ? Maybe, eventually but this isn't a European nation any more. We should not be in NATO for a lot f reasons.And yes we must keep our obligations till we extricate ourselves non NATO nations like the Ukraine aren't our responsibility anyway.
And do the "biolabs" in your hospital and local Ace Hardware work with anthrax and hemorrhagic fever bugs?
ReplyDeleteAre THEY provided money and 'help' by CDC and its children, the FDA, and the DoD?
It was also taught in the Navy (or was back when I was in) that teaching sailors how to KEEP a device/engine/nuke plant FROM blowing up ALSO taught them HOW to blow it up. Bhopal Gas Plant Disaster, anyone?
It is possible. The hard denying could be psyop it's hard to tell but "F the eu" nuland is the largest POS in state and rubio is right behind her. Was the question a setup, the answer did not look planned as she had to think on her fat ass feet to answer. Her husband and his brother are all in the swamp as well. The future looks bright at night.
ReplyDelete@Avalanche,
ReplyDelete1) They are "bio labs", they're bio labs. They're not bio warfare labs. Maybe when I made that point I was too subtle?
2) You obviously didn't click the link r/t Ace Hardware stores, or the penny would've dropped. Maybe try it, then c'mon back.
3) The actual question with any bio lab is what were they doing? Everyone's running around like chickens with amputated heads because there are laboratories in Ukraine. But they've got zero proof they were doing anything nefarious, and having lab coats and test tubes does not confer Evil Genius Lair status on every such facility. the people that were COVID experts last week, and military grand strategists this week, are suddenly biowarfare experts on the internet this week. Color me shocked. You've still only got one half-assed idiot and the Russians' claims, against everyone else on the planet saying the exact opposite. Nobody, not even a complete moron, builds bio warfare labs 10 miles from the border with Russia, in a country they'd already invaded twice in the last decade before this February.
4) You are correct: people who run things know where the failure points are. So what? It has nothing to do with creating or producing biological agents.
This entire pile of bullshit has a template:
Find test tubes and flasks -> Accuse bio warfare lab -> Do victory dance.
That hypothesis is a little weak in Step Two.
I love that Ukrainians are killing Russians and vice versa...two for one IMHO. Lots of propaganda going around, but I read some interesting stuff from US Embassy Kiev (old school spelling).
ReplyDeleteHere are a couple quotes from a press release from the Embassy describing the Ukraine lab as a "BL2."
"...The Biological Threat Reduction Program’s [BTRP] priorities in Ukraine are to consolidate and secure pathogens and toxins of security concern and to continue to ensure Ukraine can detect and report outbreaks caused by dangerous pathogens before they pose security or stability threats."
"Laboratory Construction - BTRP has upgraded many laboratories for the Ministry of Health and the State Food Safety and Consumer Protection Service of Ukraine, reaching Biosafety Level 2. In 2019, BTRP constructed two laboratories for the latter, one in Kyiv and one in Odesa."
https://ua.usembassy.gov/embassy/kyiv/sections-offices/defense-threat-reduction-office/biological-threat-reduction-program/
Also on that Embassy page, a link to a slick youtube vid (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ9cCqChMLs) from the USEmbassyKyiv: "Learn about the cooperative and vital work the Defense Threat Reduction Agency Biological Threat Reduction Program does with its partners to reduce the threat of biological agents."
Interesting comment at the 1:10 mark - "... the laboratory is there [in Kazakhstan] to both store dangerous biological pathogens from the Soviet era and to conduct research..." Before that the speaker says, "...many other republics of the former Soviet Union had biological weapons." Doesn't specifically say Ukraine did, or does, store them.
Just saying that I take the US PR video at face value, and the Russians can too.
And Aesop, comparing a BL2 lab to a HS or Middle School bio lab is just silly. Before you blow a blood vessel yelling at me through your computer, I'm NOT saying the Ukraine lab is a bioWEAPONS lab, I'm saying: The US government says there are two bioresearch labs in Ukraine, both BL2s, they were paid for by US money (one is called the Richard Lugar Center), and that based on the US-produced video from Jan 2020, one may ask whether those labs are storing bioweapons left over from the Cold War. Excellent fodder for Russian propaganda...would force US gov to "Yeah, but..." and therefore take the initiative in the narrative.
Here's a link to a CDC lesson on "Recognizing the Biosafety Levels" - https://www.cdc.gov/training/quicklearns/biosafety/
@Anon 10:39 Great links. (Did you read them?) Which demonstrate that the labs described are not biowarfare labs, by any stretch of the wildest fevered imagining, nor anything close.
ReplyDeleteThe requirements for a BL2 lab are
a) a sink, and eyewash station
b) lab coats, gloves, and if necessary, face shields
c) self-closing doors
Heady stuff. Pretty high-tech.
That describes to a "T" every single science lab I ever worked in, back to junior high school. Other than the self-closing doors (unless you want to count my dad as a door-closer) that also describes the home science kit I got from Sears & Roebuck and used at home in the 1970s, FFS.
Comparing those labs to a BL2 lab is silly: most middle and HS labs exceed the BL2 standard handily.
BL2 sounds scary, until you find out it's things like staph aureus, which 30% of everyone on the planet have in their nose, and 20% have on their skin.
https://www.merckmanuals.com/home/infections/bacterial-infections-gram-positive-bacteria/staphylococcus-aureus-infections
E. coli, which is a BL1 bug, can be found and cultured from every toilet on the planet, including the bowl in your own home, because you have it in your guts.
These are the hairy scary bio-bugs the labs in Ukraine were working on, and which the .Gov website noted were built to monitor and deal with outbreaks on the level of Montezuma's Revenge, or the Food Court Two-Step.
Pretty much like every government biolab from Hell to breakfast does and has done, since about 1920.
BTW, most of the labs in question were upgraded from Russian facilities built under the Soviet Union, and apparently running water, sinks, and self closing doors were upgrades to what they provided under the Glorious People's Ministry Of Public Health.
Russia should be embarrassed to even mention them at all, let alone call them biowarfare facilities.
How many of those 67 are funded by the USDOD and closed to all inspections?
ReplyDeleteI hate to wade into all of this, but let's discuss what it means to have a BL4.
ReplyDeleteIn order to have one, you must have a designed, built and tested leak proof building. Next, you must have a ventilation system that has UPS (battery, D/G, or whatever), that supplies negative pressure inside the room at al times. So if a door is opened, air goes into the facility, not out. That goes for suction and discharge air as well - it cannot be such that it is inside an envelope or at a high enough pressure to leak out of ductwork. The installation has to be set up with a TAB engineering firm (testing and balancing).
Next, the system must include filtration with HEPA filters and charcoal beds (customarily treated with TEDA). The charcoal is expensive, coming from Sri Lanka (it is burned coconut shell). Procedures must be in place to ameliorate spills, leaks and other contamination.
Audits must demonstrate that they can do all of this on a regular basis. No one violates these criteria.
If you violate the criteria, the first thing that happens is that the workers all get very sick and die, some virtually immediately.
Next, everyone in the vicinity dies. Next, potentially a pandemic is set off.
A BL2 is not a BL4.
I wouldn't be able to prove it, but I strongly suspect that what they have is a research facility funded by Monsanto, Bayer or Archer-Daniels-Midland to genetically engineer wheat and other crops.
The corporations would then take what they engineered and drop it into fields in the middle of the night, and then go to court and claim that their product was stolen, and then claim ownership of the farm. And then contract the former owner to grow crops on the cheap using pure engineered products from the corporation.
That's how they do business. Now, that doesn't make Ukraine white hats, but it's not the same thing as a BL4.
Oh, and Covid wasn't "accidentally" release from the Wuhan institute of virology. It was a BL4 facility.
It was engineered at Fort Detrick, sent to UNC-Chapel Hil where a prof there and the bat-lady worked on in in the 2005-2006 time frame (I studied their paper), sent to Harvard for more work, and then sent to Canada for even more work, where the bat-lady stole the material and knowledge and went off back to China.
It was release NOT in Wuhan from a meat market, but at the Wuhan military games several months prior to the supposed date.
BL4 facilities don't have those kinds of "accidents." There is too much redundancy and defense in depth.
I know, I know, somebody will go find a link for a BL4 accident and trot it out, but I'm saying in the main, it's extremely expensive to start up a BL4, heavily engineered, and heavily audited.
Thanks, Herschel.
ReplyDeleteThe facilities "discovered" (operating openly, for years, and described in detail on the US DoS website for Ukraine) are BL2 facilities, concerned with food, crop, and animal pathogen outbreaks.
And as you know, the other name for the type of infrastructure required for a BL2 is "public restroom at a high school or hospital".
1) Sink with running water
2) automatically closing door
3) access to lab coats, gloves, and splash goggles.
Neither Ukraine, nor the US in Ukraine, built nor operated any BL4 facilities, for all the reasons you just outlined, according to any "revelations" from some Biden Clown Posse halfwit, nor any public records.
And nobody builds those things 15 effing miles from the border with Russia.
@Phelps,
ReplyDeleteHow many aren't?
Your ball.
Ugh. Terrible self editing.
ReplyDeleteWhat I meant to say is that the ductwork must be all at negative pressure tested against surroundings, or otherwise inside the negative pressure envelope (that is, inside the facility, with discharge air filtered because there has to be discharge air to maintain the envelope at negative pressure).
And in order to explain further what I'm saying, I'm am NOT saying that men aren't sinful and wouldn't try to have a BL2 to make BL4 stuff. They would if they could.
I'm saying that it can't be done. The project would be self defeating. You would have spills, leaks, etc., that killed the workers, and after that you wouldn't even have the workers to mitigate and ameliorate the mess because you have no one trained and lack the equipment to do the job.
It would be like trying to run a VW Beetle in a NASCAR race without getting run over.
All this handwaving still doesn't explain why anyone at all is concerned about these labs. Why would they be trying to secure them if all they are is crop research or "crappy" bugs like e. coli? And if they are simply holding cold war era germs that Russia already has, why all the fuss? They already have the bugs and the labs to grow new bugs.
ReplyDeleteMy guess is it's probably the same propaganda that happened in that nuke power plant. Telling the truth slowly.
"The evil Russians blew up reactors! There's a radiation disaster, and possible meltdown!"
"OK, it wasn't the reactors, it was the office space for the power plant. Oh, and no radiation leakage."
"OK, it wasn't the power plant office space. It was in a nearby office building."
"OK, that building was in fact being used by military forces."
"OK, technically, it was a valid target, but still, EVIL PUTIN!"
My sneaking suspicion is that Russia knew if there was some kind of a disaster, they would get the blame, so brought in their own forces to make sure no such disaster happened.
1)"...why anyone at all is concerned..."
ReplyDeleteI'm assuming the whole "Russia claims US had bio warfare labs in Ukraine" story isn't news to you...??
2) There's no evidence whatsoever that anyone was "trying to secure them".
Bear well in mind the same people yapping about securing them was necessary, also think Gun Free Zones save lives. Draw your own conclusions there.
3) There's a metric fuckton of evidence the Russians, getting bitchslapped 24/7 since this started, both on the battlefield, and in the news, were trying to throw a shitbomb to get a little breathing room.
And then the black helicopter/chemtrail/Bigfoot Elvis crowd latched on to Putin's @$$ like a pitbull with tetanus, and it was off to the races.
Some People: "It's A WAR! Propaganda ELEVENTY!! Don't Fall For It!!!"
Same People: "Hey, Listen To This Cool Russian Propaganda!!!"
At this point, if Putin claimed Biden served dead baby floats, made with two scoops of ice cream and one scoop of dead baby at White house dinners, 27% of the internet would be absofuckinglutely certain that the more the White House denied the story was proof positive that it was true.
42% of them would start spreading stories about the secret nursery in the subterranean WH bunker, where they raised the babies to slaughter just for those dessert ingredients.
Somebody's uncle's cousin's hairdresser's plumber would swear he'd seen the nursery in question when it was being built.
The only way to win against that level of fucktardation is to kick it in the dick repeatedly, until it learns to behave.
"The evil Russians blew up reactors! There's a radiation disaster, and possible meltdown!"
ReplyDelete"OK, it wasn't the reactors, it was the office space for the power plant. Oh, and no radiation leakage."
"OK, it wasn't the power plant office space. It was in a nearby office building."
"OK, that building was in fact being used by military forces."
"OK, technically, it was a valid target, but still, EVIL PUTIN!"
Stop being ignorant.
No one ever said they "blew up" a reactor. They attacked a plant.
It wasn't office space. It was the admin building. It is appurtenant to the auxiliary and reactor buildings, as well as other SSCs (structures, systems and components) necessary to ensure ultimate heat sink and cooling for the SFP. Fires spread. Study 10 CFR 50 App. B and NFPA-805 and come back after doing some assigned reading.
Of course that building was being "used" by military forces (whatever "used" means). It was likely being ensured its safety by plant security.
It was not a valid target, and such a notion does not comport with just war doctrine.
BTW, radiation doesn't leak. It penetrates, undergoes upscatter or downscatter, and does material heating and embrittlement. Photons, electrons, neutrons and a host of exotic particles in space and accelerators.
Radioactivity leaks.
Once again, do some reading.
1)"...why anyone at all is concerned..."
ReplyDeleteI'm assuming the whole "Russia claims US had bio warfare labs in Ukraine" story isn't news to you...??
Right. But the Ivans aren't the only ones making that claim. And the careful parsing of statements by Nuland and the Pentagram is where much of this comes from. If Milley were to come right out and say, "If there are any bioweapons labs in Ukraine, I'll suck-start my sidearm!" this would go to bed quickly. Assuming anyone believes a word coming out of his piehole. The fact that no one seems to be willing to stake their own lives on it, or even their careers, rather only putting Ukrainian lives on the line, nah, I'm not buying their BS.
2) There's no evidence whatsoever that anyone was "trying to secure them".
Bear well in mind the same people yapping about securing them was necessary, also think Gun Free Zones save lives. Draw your own conclusions there.
So when they say something that confirms your bias, we can take that to the bank, but otherwise they are a bunch of incompetent buffoons? Is that about it?
The Russians were the first to make the claim. How many jackholes parrot it afterwards is a matter of complete philosophical and factual indifference. Galileo didn't take a poll to figure out the center of the solar system. he was either right, or wrong.
ReplyDeleteMilley is going to follow policy, which is to "neither confirm nor deny". Any answer he gives reveals classified information which the national Command authority has determined is Nobody's Fucking Business. you could look it up. For openers, shooting his mouth off about them violates about 8 sections of the UCMJ, some of them in a go-to-prison sort of way. Generals don't do press briefings unless they're told to do so; they follow orders.
"The fact that no one seems to be willing to stake their own lives on it, or even their careers, rather only putting Ukrainian lives on the line, nah, I'm not buying their BS."
That's an asinine standard, because it cuts both ways. Go to Ukraine yourself, and prove you're right.
Not willing to stake your own life on it? Still wonder why nobody's buying your BS? Game, set, match.
Re-think that criteria.
Start with Occam's Razor:
Is it likelier that we did build 20-30-80-eleventy biowarfare labs 15 miles from the Russian border in a country that was a Russian puppet regime until 2014, and has been invaded militarily by Russia multiple times since 1990?
Or is it likelier that we did no such monumentally retarded and jackassical thing, and never would in a million years, even if Gilligan and Goober ran the U.S. unsupervised for a century?
And before you answer, remember the timeless and sage advice of Kirk Lazarus: Never go full retard.
"So when they say something that confirms your bias, we can take that to the bank, but otherwise they are a bunch of incompetent buffoons? Is that about it?"
No, and pulling stuff out of your ass isn't making your case either.
If you can point to anything Vicki Nuland said from 1961-now, inclusive, that I've ever used to "confirm my bias", feel free to post it. If not, take your foot off your dick before you do yourself further injury.
"Milley is going to follow policy, which is to "neither confirm nor deny". Any answer he gives reveals classified information which the national Command authority has determined is Nobody's Fucking Business. you could look it up. For openers, shooting his mouth off about them violates about 8 sections of the UCMJ, some of them in a go-to-prison sort of way. Generals don't do press briefings unless they're told to do so; they follow orders."
ReplyDeleteI'm talking about Mark Milley, Chairman of JCOS. In my reality he ran off and squealed to the ChiComs that the US military would never follow Trump's orders, if he were to issue them. You are thinking of someone else. Someone who evidently follows the policy instead of thinking he gets to make the policy.
He went off the reservation with Trump, but he won't bite the hand that feeds him.
ReplyDeleteAsk the 39, no 82, no 197 abruptly retired generals and other commanders how that worked out under Obozo.
ok, they're not BL4's, but fer sure SOMETHING shady's going on...
ReplyDeletehttps://www.zerohedge.com/news/2022-03-26/links-between-hunter-biden-and-ukrainian-biolabs-confirmed
what say you?