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The Ukrainian people are smarter, better trained, better equipped, and far better motivated against the Russians than the mujahideen were in A-stan, and the muj still threw both us and the Russians out of that sh*thole.
Vlad is about to be in the position of the dog that chased cars, and then caught one.
I don't think it's going to work out for him quite the way he thought, and he doesn't have 1980 height-of-the-Cold-War levels of troops to lose, either. House-to-house in Kiev, Kharkiv, Odessa, etc., is liable to be a cast iron bitch, the kind infantry nightmares are made of.
And that whole "a rifle behind every blade of grass" thing is a real kick in the nuts, and will be for years and years to come, even if Ukraine falls.
Most of the breakaways have been waiting 70 years to do to the Russians what the Ukrainians are doing tonight. And probably will continue to do, for the next ten years, win or lose.
Finally, as a public service to the people of Ukraine, we forward the following official Ukrainian government information:
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I have to believe that Putin, an astute student of Russian history, does not want a replay of Stalingrad, with his forces subbing for German Gen. Paulus's 6th Army.
ReplyDeleteI suspect that he'll use his artillery and air supremacy to soften up(read annihilate) the Ukrainian defenses, and not worry about civilian casualties, before sending in the armor and mechanized units. I estimate that civilian casualties will number in the six figure range by the end of the battle.
I've been following Wretchard the Cat's Twitter feed, and he has a link to one person who is suggesting that Putin might decide to use thermobaric weapons on Kyiv. That would result in a lot of civilian casualties.
ReplyDeletePutin doesn't care about EGO(Enlightened Global Opinion); he wants results.
https://twitter.com/wretchardthecat
How can this be applied to Taiwan?
ReplyDeleteTime will tell Aesop. Weapons do not make a warrior.
ReplyDeleteI'm more concerned (yeah, I'm selfish here) that Gropey Dopey will make a foolish effort to cyberwarfare the Russians to "Prove he's Da MAN" to Cornpop and OUR lights, banking and such will go away.
The EBT Crowd would have American cities ablaze in a few hours I suspect.
I hope since you don't have Camp Snoopy laid on yet, you DO have a bolt hole stocked up as I doubt a week ago rich Ukrainians were expecting to flee their homes with a carload of stuff. Stuff happens fast some days.
China would be THRILLED to have the USA turned into a 4th world shithole without a shot fired.
Russia is quite aware that China is a Scorpion that will strike them when the USA is crippled. THEY also want Russia's lands and resources.
For sure. The city rats never let a crisis go to waste. We have seen the replay over and over the looting, especially the big screen looters who want to watch the 6 am news replay on their newly obtained 60" wearing their recently obtained Chinese slave made celebrity Nikes after a good riot!
DeleteNot to quibble, but sticking the rag in the neck of the bottle is not the way.
ReplyDeleteFar be it for me to quibble with the Ukrainian Ministry Of Civil Defense.
ReplyDeletePrint and mail to Russian embassy.
ReplyDelete2650 Wisconsin Ave NW, Washington, DC 20007, United States
People whose lives are on the line will figure out a way to identify and exploit the enemy's weak spot. That's just the way warfare works. The Ukrainians have an advantage. They're on home ground, playing defense, for all the marbles...
ReplyDeleteYeah thinking not. The Afghans fought hard because they had nothing to lose. Ukraine is not unified in their goals. Unlike many here i lived and worked in Ukraine, speak the language and can find it on an unmarked map.
ReplyDeleteThe history of Ukraine is complex beyond the understanding of most westerners, but it is an artificial construct more like Iraq. It has no history or real culture to unite the people. Anyone sufficiently motivated to die for the country has no desire to support the US mentorship, especially given the demonstrated history of America "dedication" to its allies.
Ukrainians are not going to die for the glory of Victoria Nuland or O'Biden.
Ukraine has much to gain from being joined to Russia and nothing to gain from being aligned with Nato.
Putin, love him or hate him, says what he means and means what he says and is consistent with action to support words. He just proved it, along with showing patience until exasperation.
Ukraine is a shithole of corruption, child sex trafficking, money laundering, payola and hosts bioweapons labs funded by names familiar to all of us. Its a hell hole country fit its people while it supports grifting by the Bidens, Clinton's and Obama’s.
Only an idiot would throw down his life for that band of assholes.
I saw it being worried over last night that Putin might move on Poland next. My response was that, assuming he wants to swallow all of Ukraine (and I doubt even that much), he's going to have a heck of a time managing just that. I consider it very unlikely he moves past Kiev.
ReplyDeleteBut I also didn't think he would actually invade Ukraine in the first place.
Same here; I thought he'd take the Eastern part as a buffer, dividing it like Germany was. He may still do it, as most of the people who'd fight him are in the west. But either way he has to reduce their major defense assets.
DeleteI think the Ukrainians do not have the advantage of the kind of terrain that allowed the Afghanis to hold out and continue to fight.
ReplyDelete@ charlie, then how?
ReplyDeleteAlso, a metric shitton of Javelin's and Stingers helps. And by most accounts are being used to significant effect. Long live the Ghost of Kyiv (if he exists) and may he continue to give the airborne Ivan's hell.
ReplyDelete@AlexPaulsen,
ReplyDeleteAnd yet we have no shortage of folks lining up to get their AK-47s and man the barricades, we have a Ukrainian combat engineer who blew both himself and the bridge to Crimea up to stop the Russian advance there, and we had the former inhabitants of the base at Snake Island telling the Russian ship demanding their surrender to go fuck himself just before their untimely demise in fireballs of glory. That and endless conga lines of people telling interviewers from every network on the planet that Putin ought to go self-fornicate. Some part of that may be propaganda, but claiming all of it is exceeds any rational credulity.
So yet again, we are in a position where we can take your word for how things are there, or trust our lying eyes...
Well snake Island seems to be faked, source is the ukie gov.
DeleteThat engineer was found to be deployed in a different battalion well away from that bridge source for that was UK, telegraph I think.
Cheering for Ukraine is a bit silly considering the folks running the place got the job from a Biden Coup supported by Canada and Israel.
Canada cause freeland
Israel cause huge diaspora wanted in Palestine.
I suspect that 'fuck Russia' is a stronger motivator than 'I want to die for the big guy's ten percent'.
ReplyDeleteThey don't have to like or support the corrupt assholes in their gov't to remember what happened the last time Russian soldiers occupied their country.
I think the outcome will depend on whether Vlad is sensitive to international opinion, or whether he just wants to get it done.
ReplyDeleteI think the latter case is more likely. If so, unlike western armies he's not likely to be concerned about polite Rules of Engagement, civilian casualties, massive infrastructure destruction etc. Resistance will be squashed under a blizzard of artillery and rocket fire and it will all be over in short order.
The big question in my mind is whether he stops in Ukraine or continues west onto NATO turf to make the point that NATO is a castle built on sand.
Back around 1998, talk.politics.guns had a thread on citizen resistance. Lots of good opinions, lots of bluster and discussion, a good time had by all and they're all probably on a watch list.
ReplyDeleteIn a search for the thread, I came across this:
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.guns/browse_thread/thread/c86a4ec84e07acf0/435a44b44bd7765d?lnk=gst&q=%22favorite+titty+bar%22+insubject%3Atanks+insubject%3Ain+insubject%3Acityscapes&rnum=1#435a44b44bd7765d
the relevant(IMHO)excerpt:
>The public doesn't have anything to defeat a M1a1 abrahms with
>reactive armor. You can try but you'll be dead long before you could
>hurt it.
Go right on believing that... and make sure you're driving the lead
vehicle.
Of course the M1s don't roll when the drivers get shot in the back of
the head when they go to the john in their favorite titty bar....
Stay safe
Lergnom
Not all the Ukrainians support the Color Revolution government. Putin is hoping that like in Georgia in 08 the people who don't support the government will take these free weapons and turn them on the Government forces.
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ReplyDeleteNo missiles in Cuba, no missiles in ukraine simple as that.
ReplyDeleteThat corrupt government kept fucking around killing ancestral Russians in the Donbass and found out.
zelensky and his crew including the neocons and state department are dead or gone no other options. Kick him out of SWIFT he has CIPS with China and just completed a large commodity exchange with China.
He sells Germany the gas that replaced all their nuclear plants they idled then destroyed. It's cold in Germany now.
Would you say he has two of a kind, full house or royal flush.
Micheal: There is a reason I have more kerosene (and other things) than I ever thought I might need just a year ago. Today, I wonder how much more I need.
ReplyDeleteAnother view: Ukraine has a population of 45 million. I think the biggest number I read of was 5 million fleeing the country. Do 200,000 soldiers - 1/2% - really pacify and control that big a population?
ReplyDeleteVlad says they're the same country and the same people. That's probably because when he grew up Ukraine had been taken over by the USSR. That's what he wants back.
I'll hazard a guess that enough Ukrainians have had a parent, grandparent or a friend's relative tell them horror stories about the Holodomor to make a substantial portion of them want nothing to do with Russia.
Putin just wants a lasting peace with the Ukro-nazis not killing Russian women and children, as they have for the last 8 years, in violation of the Minsk treaty..US Deep State is trying to prevent that, since they want continued chaos in the area..And of course, ethnic Russians have been fleeing into Russia at considerable cost to that country, and the crooks in the Ukraine have been extracting billions from Russia for the pipeline, while not maintaining it...a very dangerous situation...
ReplyDeleteStill not sure why I am supposed to care? Russia and Ukraine get their freak flag on? so? Not my cicus, not my monkeys.
ReplyDelete@Jim,
ReplyDeleteWhen all other news is memory-holed, you might want to ask yourself "why?"
When your gasoline goes to $6/gallon, the penny may eventually drop for you.
Or not.
Are there bad guys on both sides? Yes.
Should we send conventional forces and pick a side there? F**K NO.
But if you aren't seeing a reason to pay some attention when a nuclear power sends a substantial part of its army across an international border to kill people and break things, you're not tall enough for the ride.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZuMe5RvxPQ
@SiG,
ReplyDeleteMafz iz hard for some people.
If Putin's real aim was to cripple the territory and make it permanently chaotic, with a guerrilla war for years if not decades, he's going to succeed wildly.
His guy got kicked out in a hail of molotovs years back, and while the replacement was little better, you would have thought the point was made to Russia that Ukraine is not the Russians' bitch anymore.
Evidently Vlad's a slow learner, and he's willing to kill a lot of them and a substantial chunk of his own forces to make that point.
And to be fair, you'd have thought we'd have learned the same lesson from Afghanistan, but then again our leadership's vodka consumption isn't as high as Russia's.
Guys--with respect--there's literally an undeground ocean of oil and trillions of cubic meters of natural gas sitting in Canada for your use but Pres Poopypants nixed the Keystone Pipeline at the beginning of his administration. Your failure to deal with the election fraud is self-imposed a$$ pain.
ReplyDeletePoint well-taken.
ReplyDeleteAnd nixing that pipeline advantaged...whom?
a) Warren Buffett, DemoCommunist cash cow, who has a piece of the railcar action from all that gas moving from Canadato the Gulf of Mexico.
b) Putin, who now becomes far more important for supplying the Euro-weenies with energy
c) The Green Weenies, who want to kill 90% of us, and leave the rest foot-pedaling electric flintstone-mobiles and using dinosaur-powered appliances.
d) all of the above
See if we can guess why things are the way they are, and why Russia fought so hard to prop up their puppet in Syria, in order to intercept a gas pipeline from the Middle East to Turkey or whatever Lebanon would call itself, which would undercut Vlad's market share in Europe.
There are no coincidences, kids.
Think about it. The global sanctions are really all on us not the intended target.
ReplyDeleteLikely, a substantial fraction of Ukrainian enthusiasm for autonomy might be summed up in 3 words: Hol. Do. Mor.
ReplyDeleteUkraine had three choices ...1) be a NATO/EU bitch, 2) be a neutralish country without too many ties east or west, 3) have Putin curbstomp them so they can't be choice 1.
ReplyDeleteThe US/EU kleptocracy kept trying to force choice 1. Despite Russia telling them over and over for years that that was not a tolerable choice for Russia.
Russia kept advocating for choice 2, but the US/EU kleptocrats kept pushing Ukraine to say no to that. They asked for negotiations, Ukraine (under pressure from the US/EU no doubt) said no.
So Putin has opted for choice 3. He doesn't need to pacify the country, all he needs is to destroy it and let it simmer and stew in chaos and wrecked infrastructure for the future. For Russia, this is better than having another NATO power sitting on the path that has historically invaded Russia twice in the last century. If he's smarter than we are, he won't bother to "nation build." He'll be content with neutering them.
The problem with that is this will now amp up the desire to arm up Ukraine, on steroids and crack.
ReplyDelete1) Putin has cut his political throat with the entire world.
2) the West will now see that Ukraine has everything it wants short of nuclear weapons to resist the next time.
3) the people of Ukraine will now be inclined to get behind that with a fierceness that will give Russia pause for half a century.
This was shooting off your foot to get rid of a hangnail.
Not least of which because Putin thought he could simply take over Ukraine with ease, and run it as another Sov...er, Russian fiefdom.
It's not working out as he had hoped, is it?