Imagine you were any of 90% of the Internet commentariat, and imagine you were a total idiot (but I repeat myself).
Irrevocable Truths:
1) Nations don't have friends, they have interests.
2) Israel has nuclear weapons. (50-100, give or take.)
3) Iran does not have any, yet. Despite trying for 40 years. (Exploding nuclear scientists and Stuxnet virus aren't coincidences, in case that thought never crossed your mind.)
4) Iran has missiles that will reach Israel, and if they get so much as one nuclear weapon, you'll know it just about the time the weather in Tel Aviv hits 1400° F.
So, knowing only those four things, does it make more sense (for the Common Core grads: "Is it in America's BEST INTERESTS...") to let things get to #4, knowing that thirty seconds after that, 50-100 nuclear weapons begin their journeys from Israel to every Arab capitol from Tripoli to Islamabad, to every oil field in the region, and every Islamic holy site, starting with Mecca and Medina, igniting a world wide jihad and a Crusade in response in milliseconds, and sending the worldwide price of oil to $5000/barrel by 2PM that day? Probably inducing Islamabad to launch all of theirs, which in turn prompts India to launch all of theirs? (We will leave aside how much this would affect the nuclear responses of China and Russia, which would then influence the nuclear responses of Britain, France, the United States, and possibly involve North Korea, or what that would all mean for the Northern Hemisphere for the next 100-1000 years, for the moment.)
Or would the world be better served (and more importantly, "Be In America's BEST INTERESTS...") if Tehran and Persian culture were returned to that delightful time when most of the country was lit by fat lamps, fed on goat meat and date cakes, and most of the population travelled by camel between desert oases?
Pick one or the other.
Show all work.
Given the choice between a world without Israel, or a world without Iran as it is now constituted, with all that each choice would necessarily entail, I vote for Iran returning to the stone age.
For but one example of the proposition, consider how marvelously a gentle nudge from civilization improved Japan's interactions with the world circa mid 1945-present, and moderated what had been centuries of militant religious fanaticism and xenophobia.
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Imagine all of this realpolitik going on with Clamato Harris in charge, just to add to your nightmare scenario.
I wonder what Brian Wilson would think? -- https://x.com/i/status/1935833636101661002
I linked to the original yesterday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDO_xVL1lAg
Wilson was fine with it, back to 1980, as long as the royalty checks kept coming in.
The Middle East has never been a peacful region, history shows that. But oil is what makes and funds the tensions in that region for oh, the last 50 years. What would that area be like if nobody gave a damn about their oil?
We have the opportunity to do that if we wish. Fusion energy might achieve that goal. Its not 30yrs away any longer, more like 10. Sooner if we get serious about it. MIT is building the prototype SPARC reactor -- https://www-new.psfc.mit.edu/sparc Online in 2026 with net positive energy by 2027. Commercial interests are confident enough that they are already building a site in Virgina for production -- https://cfs.energy/ -- to evaluate the economics associated with it.
If the country got serious and converted every mothballed coal plant in existence we could reach the point by 2040 that we would not care what happens in the middle east. We could meet our energy needs with our own reserves. Ever the optimist.
Absolutely agreed. This has to be seen through to regime change in Iran and nothing short of it. If the mullahs can somehow hang on to power, they will know that their only path to a nuclear weapon is to purchase one. Would Pyongyang sell one?? Yikes.
Actually, I vote to a return to 1960, when Persian kids listened to rock n roll.
Just me being curious, but what if the goal was to not make a standard nuke, but material for dirty bombs ? We've certainly seen Iran as a participant in terrorism, what would stop them from doing something akin to Ukraine's attack in Russia, but with isotopes available from their reactor ? If not as a first strike, how about as a revenge strike ?
Nothing but the lack of will.
Clearly, if all they wanted was a dirty bomb, they could have done that with the first salvo.
Iran doesn't want to kill some Jews, they want to kill them all.
If they wanted to settle for a mess, they could do that right this minute.
One suspects the international response would be to greenlight blowing them and their entire nuclear program off the face of the earth in response, lest they repeat the effort in other countries.
But as always, Crazy doesn't have to follow anyone else's rules.
If their purpose was for oft-repeated peaceful purposes, there would be no need to enrich the uranium to levels they have been. They have been enriching to weapons level, period. That should have been stopped years ago. This is the last chance for a long time, if ever.
Sooner or later Iran WILL build a functional warhead. Unless there is a regime change...then who knows. And if the current fanatics are in power and have nuclear warheads they WILL use them. They have promised repeatedly they would do ANYTHING to destroy Israel. That would include nukes. What should we do about it? Good question, and history, such as it is will pass judgement on that response. But we can never know for sure what the correct course of action might be. But Islam is commanded to destroy ALL the rest of us. We need to take that command seriously.
Just one final legacy from jimmah the peanut farmer.
The bastards invaded our sovereign territory in 1979 with our embassy taken over and our citizens held illegally. Screw them. They started a war in 1979 and Trump should end it like Truman in 1945.
On another website, someone said to the usual brigade of the people on the Right hysterically crying about World War III: "America first does not mean putting the Americans of tomorrow last."
A truism that lots of people need to take to heart.
Rhea
better to build Small modular Reactors that we can make with existing tech. sure, work on fusion, but SMR's are a RIGHT NOW solution, with technology we understand. built the right way the ex-coal plants could be further adapted to fusion (or whatever else we come up with) later on.
add in a hydrogen-powered generator, and when there isn't need for the full power of whatever reactor, make hydrogen and store it. burn it off for peak power use.
also...every one of those mothballed coal plants has a mountain of coal ash outside.
once we get the details ironed out, we can refine the rare earth minerals we need from that coal ash. turning waste to money. and being less reliant on anyone else for our own needs.
I thought that was going to be the "something the world will remember for centuries" (not the exact quote) that the head rag head in charge spoke about a couple days ago.
Nemo
I'm still of the opinion that Regan should have turned Iran into glass in retaliation after the hostages were released. I know why he didn't, oil. However, none of these little pip squeak countries, like the current Iran, NORK and a dew others would be strutting around spouting their boooolchit about how tough they are, if he had acted.
I just don't understand why we put up with this boooolchit from these piss ant turd world shithole dictators. Send them an unarmed ICBM dead center to the local soccer stadium in Tehran or what ever capital of the country that needs to get the message. Follow that with a politely worded letter that says something to the effect "Smarten up. Become good global citizens or the next one will be armed. Ask the Japanese how that worked out for them." That should have happened the day after the hostages were released and every time Kim Jon Un and any one of the rest of the tin pot tyrants we've been subjected to over the last 80 years got a hair across their ass thinking their all that.
'Course, we(the USA) and the UK are responsible for installing most of these azzholes in the first place to keep the regular flow of spice going. The problem is we installed psychopaths instead of somewhat normal people that would follow the program. Then we didn't take them out fast enough when they went over the edge. Gaddafi shouldn't have lived one more day after the airliner was downed over Scotland. Likewise Saddam should have been killed a long time before he attacked Kuwait. Not that we haven't had our own share of idiotic and near psychopath presidents over the last 50 years ourselves. Obama sending pallets of cash to Iran comes to mind. Then there's the crazy ass mullah's that took Iran from the Shah because Islam. Not that the Shah wasn't a tin pot dictator himself. He was just on the low end of maniacal tin pot dictators. His mistake, IMHO, was not disappearing the mullah's and people in his own government that were speaking against him because they wanted power for themselves. That worked so well for the Iranian people that supported the mullahs. Idiot fanatics put themselves back into the 14th century socially and became global pariahs supporting terrorism regionally and around the world all in the name of Islam. I don't know how this ends long term. Short term, Iran and the head rag head in charge are fucked.
"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely" - Lord Acton
Then there's better the devil you know than one you don't, well maybe not.
Nemo
On a side note. What's up with WRSA and its constant barrage of anti-Jew crap? Free speech aside, it's to the point that I'm not even skimming past this stuff anymore. They've lost me, and I suspect a lot of others.
That's a question for them to answer.
Allen, either way is a 'win'. We just need to get to doing it and finally give the oil sheikhs the finger.
Disagree as to oil being the prime factor.
Moslems doing islam seems to be the driver for the last 46 years.
Fusion power was only ten or twenty years away when I first read about Tokomaks and magnetic confinement in 1959. I'm not holding my breath anymore.
The enemy does in fact get a vote, and they aren't rational. Sometimes you need to knock some sense into them.
If anyone here thinks they want nuke energy,
ANY nuclear gov (France, Pakistan, India etc) could set one up and run it after selling the land to them and letting them build a base around it. They would never. Ever. Because they want weapons.
Problem is people dont get FAFO. Isreal isn't fing around. Iran has been by arming Hputhis, Garand, Hamas, and Hezbolla for decades. Isreal is making them Find Out. Hopefully they knock some sense into those hard headed Persians.
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