tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post8467778501770672208..comments2024-03-28T11:58:42.109-07:00Comments on Raconteur Report: Dear Gilligan,Aesophttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comBlogger54125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-91570292338704330102020-02-18T09:30:44.777-08:002020-02-18T09:30:44.777-08:00Even those few folks I know who own top grade NBC ...Even those few folks I know who own top grade NBC gas masks or SCBA don't have enough filters or canned air to last 3 months...<br /><br />So IF an N95 mask proves ineffective against this bug, we're ALL screwed regardless.<br /><br />And I think that's Aesop's point in a nut shell.<br /><br />Spend your time worrying about shit that you actually have some control over and leave the rest to God.Charles in VAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16954862938410571982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-86590788984597299242020-02-18T08:17:45.555-08:002020-02-18T08:17:45.555-08:00N95s are the standard for respiratory protection, ...N95s are the standard for respiratory protection, have been for years any place with common sense, and that <i>is</i> typical.<br />Moving the goalposts won't cut it, and neither will be an Appeal To Stupidity ("everybody else is jumping off a cliff, so...").<br />I've worked at 12 hospitals in the last 5 years, and N95s sit on every facility's isolation supply cart, and are and have been used for a decade and more.<br /><br />If that makes too much sense for you, try tying a handkerchief over your mouth, and let us know how that works out for ya.<br /><br />I've got 25 years' experience doing this for a living, and you're not going to bamboozle your way to getting it right because of some horsesh*t you read yesterday on Google.Aesophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-51056900707051990052020-02-18T08:07:32.156-08:002020-02-18T08:07:32.156-08:00@ Aesop: your tirades remind me of my DI's and...@ Aesop: your tirades remind me of my DI's and a few salty Marines. Its nice to have your head on straight and be correct most of the time. Sometimes it sucks. There will always be those with less G2, S2, and S4 skills that will get upset that you are correct yet again.<br /><br />24h with a mask on? Try 18-24h in full MOPP gear in the desert. These things can be done but it sucks.. and is rarely needed.<br /><br />@Charles in VA, 1744 - if this goes full pandemic I suspect the ratio of common sense/population will increase.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-85389833186825112302020-02-17T19:22:26.117-08:002020-02-17T19:22:26.117-08:00You won't have any problem finding states and ...<i>You won't have any problem finding states and hospitals where the PPE was selected by dumbasses on the basis of cost, rather than practical effectiveness, was still at the dumbass level.</i><br /><br />You've stated that N95 masks are the standard for non airborne precautions.<br />So...Whether they are "dumbasses" or no, that's not really the point. <br />The point is, N95 masks are the standard for coronavirus and that isn't typical. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-84241660272199466262020-02-17T17:51:37.521-08:002020-02-17T17:51:37.521-08:00You won't have any problem finding states and ...You won't have any problem finding states and hospitals where the PPE was selected by dumbasses on the basis of cost, rather than practical effectiveness, was still at the dumbass level.<br /><br />Ask around in Dallas about how that worked for Ebola, and compare, e.g., the level of PPE recommended by the pontificating gasbags at the CDC, vs. the level of PPE recommended by MSF for people working in actual Ebola Treatment Centers in Africa, based on hard-earned lessons.<br /><br />See if you can spot a trend.Aesophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-31123999182783133092020-02-17T13:33:10.561-08:002020-02-17T13:33:10.561-08:00"For PPE, it's always N95, minimum, or be...<i>"For PPE, it's always N95, minimum, or better."</i><br /><br />Interesting. Are there other healthcare providers in other states who might weigh in here?<br />I worked in Texas, New Mexico, and Florida and only used a N95 for TB patients. <br />Droplet precautions were always those "dumbass comfort" masks. <br />This was up to around six years ago, so maybe in the past 6 years things have changed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-23999081071493089542020-02-17T12:31:01.294-08:002020-02-17T12:31:01.294-08:00@ Aesop,
Admittedly, I'm no virologist or gen...@ Aesop,<br /><br />Admittedly, I'm no virologist or genetic engineer. That being said, this sounds and looks like pretty compelling evidence that this Kung Stew was cooked up in a lab...by the Chinese military in Wuhan.<br /><br />"There is no way in nature that the Bat coronavirus could fortuitously acquire the HIV genetic sequences, without causing a mutation of the Virus Envelope. The ONLY way the virus envelope could obtain the HIV genetics and still remain 100% identical to the 2018 sample, is if the HIV genes were added in a laboratory."<br /><br />The article has a link to the complete study. It also suggests that it is, indeed, capable of airborne transmission...ie: through the evaporative process of sewer lines and storm drains.<br /><br />https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/proof-the-novel-coronavirus-infecting-the-world-is-a-military-bio-weapon-developed-by-china-s-army<br /><br />This might explain why the virus is (apparently) so much more deadly to gooks than it is to other ethnic groups.Charles in VAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16954862938410571982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-62591743517856113052020-02-17T11:36:30.037-08:002020-02-17T11:36:30.037-08:00You're assuming facts not in evidence anywhere...You're assuming facts not in evidence anywhere.<br /><br />The fact that coronavirus is found in aerosolized droplets (like any number of viruses; this is hardly novel. FFS, there's a whole list in the CDC Appendix A referenced above, including any 700 strains of influenza every year) which are large enough to be caught by an N95 filter is <i>exactly</i> why that's what's recommended. It has nothing to do with how long they stay in the air, it has to do with how far they fly when sick people with the hygienic manners of barnyard animals and a Turd world 3rd-grade drop-out understanding of science sneeze and cough on you. Ask me how I know.<br /><br />There's no secret truth hiding out there, nor some surprise transmission mode.<br />The guidelines call for N95 because that's what works.<br /><br />Non-N95 masks leak, and filter out nothing. The only reason we use those dumbass comfort masks in a healthcare setting, going back decades, is to put on patients to keep their nasty sh*t from flying through the air when they're in common areas and coughing or sneezing.<br /><br />For PPE, it's always N95, minimum, or better.<br /><br />That's it.Aesophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-54291355909329486112020-02-17T08:26:43.957-08:002020-02-17T08:26:43.957-08:00"And N95 is the level of filtration that will...<i>"And N95 is the level of filtration that will eliminate both bacteria, and aerosol droplets.<br />It has nothing to with being "airborne" level of filtration, per se, it has to do with the fact that the actual pathogens you're filtering for (TB, chicken pox, measles, etc.) are large enough as bacteria or viruses contained in water droplets, that an N95 will effectively block them"</i><br /><br />I'm having trouble understanding this paragraph above. <br />As you surely must know, TB is a far larger pathogen than any virus (such as the other things you mentioned). <br />It has airborne precautions because...it is an airborne pathogen. <br />Most viruses, by contrast, don't have those precautions because the droplets which contain them are too large to hang around in the air long. <br />By contrast, this particular coronavirus is different. <br />You think this detail insignificant?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-20473156854026052322020-02-17T08:08:20.167-08:002020-02-17T08:08:20.167-08:00And N95 is the level of filtration that will elimi...And N95 is the level of filtration that will eliminate both bacteria, and aerosol droplets.<br />It has <i>nothing</i> to with being "airborne" level of filtration, <i>per se</i>, it has to do with the fact that the actual pathogens you're filtering for (TB, chicken pox, measles, etc.) are large enough as bacteria or viruses contained in water droplets, that an N95 will effectively block them.<br /><br />Period.Aesophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-92134447088253449352020-02-17T08:04:47.190-08:002020-02-17T08:04:47.190-08:00Because of droplet precautions.
A cough or sneeze,...Because of <i><b>droplet precautions</b></i>.<br />A cough or sneeze, as well as vomiting, can throw aerosolized infectious particles out up to 25 yards, and if you're within range with your unprotected mouth hanging open...you figure it out.<br /><br /><i>Airborne</i> precautions are reserved for lighter-than-air pathogens that can blow around the air you breathe and float there for a long time, and become inhaled.<br /><br />Aerosol droplets, generally being heavier than air, settle to the surface within a few minutes.<br /><br />When the mortality risk of transmission is higher than average (Ebola), or the correct level is unknown (especially because the actual pathogen is unknown), the general rule is to go with the more restrictive (which is airborne) level of precaution until the correct level is established.<br /><br />That you're asking the questions is good, but it also shows you didn't know any of that. You could have answered the questions with a mouseclick.<br />https://www.cdc.gov/infectioncontrol/guidelines/isolation/precautions.html<br />Aesophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-32593566496737012862020-02-17T08:02:46.806-08:002020-02-17T08:02:46.806-08:00"So, grasshopper, why the face masks? Huh?&qu...<i>"So, grasshopper, why the face masks? Huh?"</i><br /><br />Not why the face masks...<br />droplet precautions require face masks too. <br />Why the N95 face masks, specifically?<br />(that's the airborne precaution mask.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-45428121529612439222020-02-17T06:22:09.730-08:002020-02-17T06:22:09.730-08:00"coronavirus is not an airborne pathogen.&quo..."coronavirus is not an airborne pathogen."<br /><br />So, grasshopper, why the face masks? Huh?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-29837513279836280542020-02-16T20:34:44.971-08:002020-02-16T20:34:44.971-08:00"Like most virus infections, coronavirus is n..."Like most virus infections, coronavirus is not an airborne pathogen."<br /><br />Why are they recommending airborne precautions?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-44787231909748244792020-02-16T18:15:43.556-08:002020-02-16T18:15:43.556-08:00Fluent nonsense.
Like most virus infections, coron...Fluent nonsense.<br />Like most virus infections, coronavirus <i>is <b>not</b> an airborne pathogen</i>.<br /><br />Don't throw the terms out if you don't understand them.<br /><br />That's also why this is easily defeatable, because you're not going to be out and playing in it for very long.<br /><br />So when you set up the pieces wrong for the game, you're going to lose every time.<br />Even annual pandemic flu doesn't infect everyone, so stop talking nonsense.<br /><br />Aesophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-42300465001338124082020-02-16T17:11:44.500-08:002020-02-16T17:11:44.500-08:00Marty:
No one is saying they don't care. What...Marty:<br />No one is saying they don't care. What I am saying is you cannot protect yourself 24/7. It is literally impossible. If it becomes pandemic you will be exposed to this virus and there isn't enough handwashing, gloves and face masks to wear 24/7 for 6 months to a year. You are whistling past the graveyard. To claim you are protecting yourself shows you do not understand how highly infectious airborne diseases proliferate. What you think is protection is illusion. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-11853517251807978982020-02-16T13:57:58.725-08:002020-02-16T13:57:58.725-08:00I am sick of the folks who say that they don't...I am sick of the folks who say that they don't care if the get it/won't do anything to protect them selves/telling me Just the Flu or it is not as bad as the flu, or I am over reacting, this WuFlu is coming like a train. If you don[t want to protect yourself stay away from me and don't ask for a pail of food or a bucket of cleaning supplies dog food MREs you know stuff you can pick up at CVS or Publix right now for basically free compared to what it will cost in a month or so <br /><br /><br />Even if it were limited to Hubi province China, which it isn't it will destroy our Supply chain from Red China, <br /><br />But hey this Just in time delivery of Red China made shit is a great business plan..... We can always depend on picking up ChiCom made goods you know the stuff that gutted the us manufacturing industry, at Walmart, the low price leader and its ware house on wheels right? <br />Martyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06483792328409191566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-48071228605302416942020-02-16T09:35:26.840-08:002020-02-16T09:35:26.840-08:00 Japan might have community contagion…
“At least ... Japan might have community contagion…<br /><br />“At least 59 cases have now been confirmed, including more than a dozen among the hundreds of Japanese nationals and their relatives repatriated from Wuhan, China, the epicentre of the outbreak.<br />…..<br />With the rise in local infections, Kato warned the country was ‘entering a new phase.’<br /><br />‘We are seeing infection cases that we are unable to trace back their transmission routes,’ he said<br /><br />‘We want to ask the public to avoid non-urgent, non-essential gatherings. We want elderly and those with pre-existing conditions to avoid crowded places.”<br /><br /><br />nick<br /><br />https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8009967/Americans-leave-quarantined-Japan-ship-virus-cases-hit-355.html nick flandreynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-52237631792808328982020-02-16T09:04:12.527-08:002020-02-16T09:04:12.527-08:00Ray, I never thought about Banking.
That is a p...Ray, I never thought about Banking. <br /><br />That is a profession where I would want to be wearing a mask and gloves, and be wiping down my counter and the keyboards about every other customer. And it is essential if we want the economy to keep rolling along. We are still talking about the Bank Holiday from the Depression. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-12811441626783822442020-02-16T09:02:54.761-08:002020-02-16T09:02:54.761-08:00We may not have reliable numbers, but we do have a...We may not have reliable numbers, but we do have anecdotal video, clearly in china somewhere, and clearly WAY past 'not good'.<br /><br />https://twitter.com/i/status/1229066399760429057 <br /><br />nnick flandreynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-63959689952016491612020-02-16T09:00:03.638-08:002020-02-16T09:00:03.638-08:00Banknotes are filthy, I'd be wearing gloves fi...Banknotes are filthy, I'd be wearing gloves first....<br /><br />This guy(supposed shopkeeper in wuhan) in china gives "money laundering" a new twist....<br /><br />https://twitter.com/i/status/1229073578227838977 <br /><br /><br />Waddaya think? 5 minutes at a full rolling boil, longer at high altitude??<br /><br />nnick flandreynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-40717916524691426152020-02-16T08:56:56.509-08:002020-02-16T08:56:56.509-08:00Monday morning in Hong Kong...
"Hubei provin...Monday morning in Hong Kong...<br /><br />"Hubei province, the epicentre of the deadly coronavirus outbreak<br />, announced Sunday that it will impose tough new travel restrictions on all residents in the province to stop the spread of the disease.<br /><br />Under the new rules, <b>all businesses will close and the province’s 58 million people will not be able to leave their residential community or village</b>.<br /><br />No vehicles or visitors should be allowed into any residential community or villages unless “necessary”.<br /><br />Hubei has also banned all vehicles from the road with the exception of police cars, ambulances, those transporting essential goods, and other authorised vehicles.<br /><br />Crowd numbers will be limited in stores that are allowed to remain open and <b>there will be “collective coordination” of people permitted to leave their homes to buy necessities</b>.<br /><br />“Disease control of the province has entered an important and difficult period,” the provincial government said in its announcement. <b>“The situation is still grim and to cut transmission effectively and deter the trend of contagion … here are the new requirements.”"</b><br /><br /><br />--commies gonna commie, and oppressors gonna oppress...<br />--there are a LOT more videos of beatings and arrests coming out of china than there were last week. When the commies get desperate, they revert to what they know, beatings and arrests.<br /><br />n<br /><br />https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3050879/no-mahjong-no-card-games-hubei-province-full-lockdown-china nick flandreynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-56312547836966239422020-02-16T08:46:13.660-08:002020-02-16T08:46:13.660-08:00@Aesop
Thanks for your reply!
Taiwan Tv is havin...@Aesop<br /><br />Thanks for your reply!<br /><br />Taiwan Tv is having nonstop coverage of the CoronaVirus on the news program my wife watches. Their vp was in charge of their SARS response.<br /><br />My local Chinese bank is at 50% staff wearing masks. Last week it was 2 staff.Ray - SoCalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293232996007277071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-13789600068339815882020-02-16T08:36:08.086-08:002020-02-16T08:36:08.086-08:00@Ray,
It's certainly possible, but the underl...@Ray,<br /><br />It's certainly possible, but the underlying questions are always the same: <br />1) How many cases does China <i>actually</i> have?<br />2) Of <i>what</i>?<br />3) How many of them have died?<br /><br />And there are still no answers.Aesophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-19879737807327512022020-02-16T08:19:26.533-08:002020-02-16T08:19:26.533-08:00@Aesop - a zerohedge article and comments on an a...@Aesop - a zerohedge article and comments on an article at https://wattsupwiththat.com/ suggested China may be getting hit worse hit with the Coronavirus due to smoking and the high amount of pollution damaging lungs. Your thoughts?<br /><br />Thanks for the great information. Your posts on Ebola were the best around.<br /><br />This post I found to be one of the better ones in CoranaVirus out there:<br />https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/02/14/wuhan-coronavirus-wuwt-update/Ray - SoCalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293232996007277071noreply@blogger.com