tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post7065345758037966542..comments2024-03-28T11:58:42.109-07:00Comments on Raconteur Report: Here's Your "Opioid Crisis": CDC ConfirmationAesophttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-39802394828212448192018-07-23T20:40:33.661-07:002018-07-23T20:40:33.661-07:00For chronic pain patients this whole thing is gett...For chronic pain patients this whole thing is getting incredibly frustrating and stressful when they of all people don't need more stress heaped on them. Living with chronic, unrelenting, constant pain makes life fucking miserable and having to jump through hoops every month and get treated like some smackhead junkie just adds to the fucking misery. God forbid your 30 day refill lands on a weekend or a holiday. Call the doctor every month, did the doctor's office call the pharmacy? they didn't? The doctor said they did. Play phone tag all day between the doctor's office and pharmacy. Sorry can't pick it up a day early so an extra 30 mile round trip to town. Sorry grandma you have to live in constant pain because somebody somewhere might be getting high on the same type of med you've been on for 20 years.<br /><br />Getting something as mild as tramadol, which I don't think you can get high on if you tried, is a monthly exercise in frustration. Up until a while ago a physician could write a 6 month or a year scrip for it if he chose to. Even non-narcotics like Klonopin which can help knock back intractable neuropathic pain for spinal cord injury patients and diabetics are the next media crisis and overreaction. Hell, I read junkies are using imodium/loperamide to get high. They'll be requiring a prescription for that next.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-34147372641527956252018-07-23T18:33:25.919-07:002018-07-23T18:33:25.919-07:00I am in favor of first responders carrying NARCAN....I am in favor of first responders carrying NARCAN. Not for purposes of INS (Interfering with Natural Selection), but because we've a few cases of first responders walking into situations of getting a lethal contact dose of an opioid in the course of normal operations.<br /><br />Locally they all know to take precautions when they get an OD call, but it's the non-OD calls that happen to have the stuff in the area that's becoming an issue.RandyGChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16758726126424011542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-30025728936148640832018-07-23T13:24:54.760-07:002018-07-23T13:24:54.760-07:00My guess:
I think it comes down to controlling wh...My guess:<br /><br />I think it comes down to controlling what they can, because they can, to fix what isn't broken until it is, then come up with a solution that isn't one, tax the whole thing, <i>and</i> pocket crony bux and cartel bribes on the side.<br /><br />That scratches the itches of greed, power, control, and sadism, in exactly the same way fentanyl maxes out the opioid receptors in junkies.<br /><br />The fact that it's driven in equal parts by their incompetence and their deliberate malign intervention is the engine, and the afterburner, on that powerplant. That it also kills the junkies while increasing the suffering of the innocents is all secondary to our would-be-overlords pleasing themselves, and getting us to pay for the privilege of entertaining them with our suffering. They'll just find new junkies, and torture a fresh batch of innocents, in due course, because they never imagine that the mule might someday buck them off.<br /><br />This is why, at the end of the day, some people just need to be strung up by the neck, which will eventually be the only lasting solution.<br /><br />Until the next batch arises.Aesophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-92205423726077979532018-07-23T10:41:47.092-07:002018-07-23T10:41:47.092-07:00Next question: I'm just a freakin' enginee...Next question: I'm just a freakin' engineer and I could see this wasn't about actual prescription pain meds. <br /><br />So how come I can see it and our Ruling Class can't? How come our Philosopher Kings keep insisting it's better to keep normal people in chronic pain than crack down on heroin addicts? Is it just the corrupt people like the Clintons pocketing the millions, or is it something else? <br /><br />We've talked about this since back when you did your original bunch of posts and more since then. <br /><br />This problem ties together a lot of things: the border problems - which brings the abolish ICE movements, the MS-13 narrative and more, along with the nationwide move to legalize marijuana. It ties to the feces-and-discarded-needles-in-the-streets messes springing up from San Fransicko, El Lay, to Seattle. Is somebody trying to get heroin normalized, legalized, and provided on government subsidy? <br /><br />Anybody check the Open Societies groups for this? <br /><br />SiGraybeardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00280583031339062059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-54322490948047086812018-07-23T09:43:43.511-07:002018-07-23T09:43:43.511-07:00@Mark D
All statistics have limits.
The report d...@Mark D<br /><br />All statistics have limits.<br /><br />The report doesn't address that <i>not all</i> of the opioid death victims were <i>tested</i> for fentanyl. The tests usually also don't differentiate, nor AFAIK <i>can</i> they, between heroin or Rx meds.<br />(If anyone's a forensic pathologist, feel free to chime in...)<br /><br />That part of the report is like saying that Mexican cartels get most of their guns from the US, until you read the fine print, and find out that's "of the guns that <i>could</i> be traced".<br /><br />The point of the fentanyl analogs is their lethality, rather than necessarily their overall prevalence.<br /><br />A perfect report would tell you exactly what had killed all those who died, but we have neither the time, the money, nor the scientific capability to say that with sufficient precision.<br /><br />When a junkie dies with a needle in their arm, they're not going to assume they OD'ed on Percocet or Norco.<br />They <i>might</i> test for fentanyl and analogs for it, and the fact that it's showing up at all in 20% of decedents is yuuuuuge.Aesophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-2107224816677638012018-07-23T09:15:35.183-07:002018-07-23T09:15:35.183-07:00I have always had a fundamental problem with my ta...I have always had a fundamental problem with my tax dollars being used to fund revival of people too stupid to understand that opioids are bad things. Add in the cost for training of first responders, the lost opportunity for first responders responding to some other person experiencing a real crisis, the non-payment of hospital bills and other costs incurred by these addicts is an unfair burden to be placing on society. In almost all cases of Narcan revival, the addict will OD again in his/her near future. Give these people a hot shot and be done with them.<br /><br />NemoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-24840088975364565432018-07-23T09:13:43.725-07:002018-07-23T09:13:43.725-07:00While I don't doubt what you say is true, I ha...While I don't doubt what you say is true, I have to wonder given the last paragraph you paste:<br /><br />"During July 2016–June 2017, among 11,045 opioid overdose deaths, 2,275 (20.6%) decedents tested positive for any fentanyl analog, and 1,236 (11.2%) tested positive for carfentanil. Fourteen different fentanyl analogs were detected. Among overdose deaths with fentanyl analogs detected, the analogs were determined by medical examiners or coroners to have contributed to the death in >95% of deaths."<br /><br />So about 1/5 of all OD deaths were caused by some fentanyl analog. How about the other 4/5 of OD deaths? I doubt that (with a few exceptions) those are the people targeted by the urge to "do something" (i.e. someone getting an opiod for pain management after breaking a hip), but I can picture TPTB using this to claim "only" 20% of ODs were these types of drugs and therefore the rest MUST'VE been from Tylenol with codiene, so we need to jail doctors who prescribe it too much. (Besides, arresting doctors is a lot safer than arresting those poor undocumented immigrants who are just selling the dope Americans won't sell).<br /><br />Mark DAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-25764022893809973802018-07-23T08:49:52.956-07:002018-07-23T08:49:52.956-07:00Ah, but if the powers that be continue on their co...Ah, but if the powers that be continue on their course, folks in need will increasingly go for the illegal drugs. Presto, vindication!<br /><br />Lord knows I was tempted in that direction when my wife was dying of cancer. She didn't have enough liver left to allow for chemo, there was nothing that could be done, and even in hospice I couldn't get her enough pain meds. If I had had a clue where to get illegal opiods, I would have done so.tweellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08164718561825615886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-80964010716614161992018-07-23T08:20:20.093-07:002018-07-23T08:20:20.093-07:00Sorry Winston...I got nothin'.Sorry Winston...I got nothin'.Aesophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-91949442689034195962018-07-23T08:16:27.543-07:002018-07-23T08:16:27.543-07:00'Splain to me again why we don't want more...'Splain to me again why we don't want more dead felons......<br />Winston Smithnoreply@blogger.com