tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post4445915316647370240..comments2024-03-28T11:58:42.109-07:00Comments on Raconteur Report: We Were WrongAesophttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-83003358903344241572020-04-19T17:58:39.608-07:002020-04-19T17:58:39.608-07:00You don't get a pass for failure to engage.
I...You don't get a pass for failure to engage.<br /><br />I'm talking about the ones that have already died, not projections.<br /><br />So, how many of the unemployed have starved to death?<br />Zero?<br /><br />How many unemployed? For how long?<br />It isn't like I didn't address this, already, a week ago:<br />https://raconteurreport.blogspot.com/2020/04/check-your-instruments.html<br /><br />But that's not "<i>Right now, because my diapers are wet, and they feel icky!</i>"<br />For about 50% of the country.<br /><br />The same people who are gonna rise up and take back America, because reasons, and a six-week partial quarantine and job loss is kicking their asses, and half of them are ready to commit suicide rather than face it, while the other half can't wait to start throwing anyone else out of the lifeboats and under the bus.<br /><br />Because all that rhetoric about "the right to life" expires when it's inconvenient for society's biggest crybabies.<br /><br />Noted.Aesophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-55250722358991953962020-04-19T12:39:32.307-07:002020-04-19T12:39:32.307-07:00@ Borepatch,
Show your work:
How many people are ...<i>@ Borepatch,<br /><br />Show your work:<br />How many people are you willing to kill?</i><br /><br />Jesus, Aesop. Playing under those rules, how about this:<br /><br />We're seeing a million people a <i>day</i> lose their jobs - we're seeing ~ 6-7M a week new jobless. So how many people are you willing to put out of work, for how long, to save how many lives?<br /><br />Fun game, right?<br /><br />And OBTW, the projections on number of dead have been crap for weeks. It's been millions dead then downgraded to hundreds of thousands dead and downgraded again to 50k - 100k dead. I wonder where it will end up. No doubt the latest models will be right on target; they're put together by top men. Top. Men.<br /><br />And OBTW[2], nobody is tracking how many of the dead would have died anyway from one of their many comorbidities. After all, the government has to justify all the pain they've inflicted, and having uncomfortable questions raised from reporting the data honestly would be, well, uncomfortable for TPTB.<br /><br />But hey, go ahead and only add up one side of the cost/benefit analysis. Makes the calculation a bit easier, I expect.Borepatchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05029434172945099693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-33181516437098914492020-04-19T10:47:54.387-07:002020-04-19T10:47:54.387-07:00My county, in far west Ky., had it's first cas...My county, in far west Ky., had it's first case 2 weeks ago and now we have 30. Ky., 2 weeks ago had 1066 cases and today we have 2,844 and still haven't hit the peak. But in a town of 10,127 I find that I have no desire to go shopping, play bridge or anything I typically do. Daughter who has been "kinda" laid off, filling in where needed, keeps telling HR to give her hours to someone who needs them as with her unemployment, $600 weekly gov help she making more a week than her take home pay. And I can't imagine that this isn't happening across the country. My hope is that everyone who's pushing to go back to work because this is "just" the flu are correct. Because if they are wrong I'm going to have a lot of funerals to attend. glasslasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11903877330688637288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-72552268872203082592020-04-19T08:48:51.209-07:002020-04-19T08:48:51.209-07:00As an essential employee (infrastructure) in an in...As an essential employee (infrastructure) in an inherently dangerous field I find the stay at home two sides<br />We must keep the power and water running while like the man said others cower at home.<br />Man up and pay the freight<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-87740262702224654212020-04-19T08:44:52.996-07:002020-04-19T08:44:52.996-07:00Yeah, hey, since we're in power at the moment,...Yeah, hey, since we're in power at the moment, let's get all those whiny snots who've ever used the phrase "ok boomer" and fire them. You know, MY kids shouldn't have to compete with them in the workplace, so let's clear out that deadwood. 'cuz hey, genocide is FUN when it's not your people dying... and, we'll get all their STUFF when they die! Sweet.<br /><br />@ken and anyone else who doesn't seem to care that people will die from this if you don't stay home, I wonder how your boss feels about you wanting him dead? I bet the Board of Directors has some strong feelings about you working there given your desire to just sacrifice them and most of the people they know, because you didn't prepare for hard times. Or maybe you've just discovered that you are "non-essential" and that stings. Start your own company, making something useful. Take responsibility for your own life and fate. <br /><br />nnick flandreynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-10878713131736859572020-04-19T08:44:23.943-07:002020-04-19T08:44:23.943-07:00I have to laugh like Bracken said we bitch and fig...I have to laugh like Bracken said we bitch and fight amongst ourselves because we have no power to right the wrong that has been perpetrated against us... Maybe just maybe if people would of listened and started building Communities way back in 2010 when I started advocating for that then they wouldn't be arguing online with strangers they would be working on implementing their plan that their Community came up with but nooo everyone was just to damn comfortable to do anything like that...Sad That...linemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18180668439619161153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-72666904369567231032020-04-19T08:23:51.974-07:002020-04-19T08:23:51.974-07:00@ Borepatch,
Show your work:
How many people are ...@ Borepatch,<br /><br />Show your work:<br />How many people are you willing to kill?<br />Where's the line in the sand where we finally hit too many dead?<br />We've already equaled an average flu season and a half, in six weeks.<br />We did the deaths in average flu season in just the <i>last</i> week.<br /><br />So, do we admit re-opening without widespread testing is a major fuck-up at 50K dead?<br />100K?<br />500K?<br />Never??<br /><br />New York was driving the bus on the last peak, and they're the ones that ignored this until it bit their asses off.<br />So we should do 10, or 49, or 100 more peaks now, because people are getting antsy?<br /><br />There's no question jackholes have abused and exceeded both lawful authority and commonsense, but is it okay to throw out not just the baby with the bathwater, but thousands or tens of thousands of grandmas and grandpas too?<br /><br />And who's going to step up and say, "Hey, you had a good run, but I've got to be getting back to work, so fuck off and die?"<br />You?<br />POTUS?<br />Who?<br /><br />Where in the Constitution is that power enumerated?<br />To whom?<br />"<i>He shall, from time to time, write off vast swaths of the population, because their continued existence is inconvenient for their children and grandchildren...</i>" appears in which article?<br /><br />My Declaration of Independence reads that the reason for any government is "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness".<br />When did we make that first part optional, purely at the whim of the whiny?<br /><br />When you're willing to push people into the crematorium, where does that slippery slope end?<br />How did that work out with Madame Guillotine?<br /><br />Are we just going to start calling these "240th trimester abortions", or what?<br /><br />Asking for 5-10M friends and neighbors.<br />Aesophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-48889799671724065642020-04-19T08:10:08.287-07:002020-04-19T08:10:08.287-07:00I guessing a couple of folks missed these earlier:...I guessing a couple of folks missed these earlier:<br /><br />https://i.imgur.com/WumCirt.jpg<br /><br />https://i.imgur.com/BDHuMdw.jpg<br /><br />If you can answer either question therein, you can show your work on how we should end the lockdowns.<br /><br />Personally, I think the tsunami of ass-headedness is going to guarantee this explodes again (and again, and again), and kills a metric fuckton more people, and the "End the lockdowns now!" crowd <i>still</i> won't give a f**k.<br /><br />Sociopathy is like that.<br /><br />Time will tell if I've got that right too, but a wise man once said "<i>It isn't possible to underestimate the average intelligence of Americans.</i>"Aesophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-8594655158968461782020-04-19T08:09:44.632-07:002020-04-19T08:09:44.632-07:00Aesop, I disagree about as much as it's possib...Aesop, I disagree <a href="https://borepatch.blogspot.com/2020/04/its-time-to-re-open-economy.html" rel="nofollow">about as much as it's possible to disagree</a>.<br /><br />I also think that we're seeing fascists all over the place, but it's not those of use saying to reopen the economy.Borepatchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05029434172945099693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-36899049944296601162020-04-19T08:00:00.879-07:002020-04-19T08:00:00.879-07:00Not calling names. It's an observation.Not calling names. It's an observation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-61816263806661146542020-04-19T07:41:23.461-07:002020-04-19T07:41:23.461-07:00You are the one who thought it was okay to try and...You are the one who thought it was okay to try and slap people around by accusing them of "cowering at home." It's a bit late for you to whine about name calling now.Rheahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04556747950740643324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-43262669311655585312020-04-19T07:23:58.889-07:002020-04-19T07:23:58.889-07:00Funny if you have a different point of view you mu...Funny if you have a different point of view you must be punished by name calling.<br />I like this blog but I also think for myself as well.Great Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00195696828269430153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-30450089789505152932020-04-19T07:06:07.227-07:002020-04-19T07:06:07.227-07:00Name calling. Of course you will do as you are tol...Name calling. Of course you will do as you are told.Great Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00195696828269430153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-22256423437003285982020-04-19T07:00:15.847-07:002020-04-19T07:00:15.847-07:00Name calling' how smart are you.Name calling' how smart are you.Great Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00195696828269430153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-52871155155883491092020-04-19T06:59:22.950-07:002020-04-19T06:59:22.950-07:00Okay' stay home and the rest of us that are wi...Okay' stay home and the rest of us that are willing to work will.Great Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00195696828269430153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-10336677393143934372020-04-19T06:40:06.642-07:002020-04-19T06:40:06.642-07:00When you flatten the curve you put of dying or get...<i>When you flatten the curve you put of dying or getting sick. Not make it go away.</i><br /><br />This is a truly grossly ignorant statement, you've <i>completely</i> failed to learn the goal of it, which is to not exceed the peak capacities of hospitals. If you do that, death rates go <i>way</i> up because even the mildly serious cases can't get good medical attention, oxygen, etc.<br /><br /><i>How long can you cower at home?</i><br /><br />Since I'm not a genocidal sociopath like you, as long as it takes.ThatWouldBeTellinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16910231314995266781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-42125784022218028962020-04-19T06:39:44.474-07:002020-04-19T06:39:44.474-07:00You didn't answer the question.
How long? Lon...You didn't answer the question.<br /><br />How long? Long enough for the country to be one step ahead of this virus. Long enough for it to peak. Long enough that that the US medical system doesn't collapse from trying to treat an influx of Kung Flu plus every other run of the mill problem they see on a regular day. I guess I don't view it as "cowering" at home - I have loved ones who work in the medical field. Funnily enough, neither they nor their co-workers want this new "just the flu."<br /><br />As our esteemed host has pointed out elsewhere, now =|= forever. This is not the first time people have been told to go home and stay there regardless of if they were sick or not. It happened in 1918 too.<br /><br />The public school system ought to be closed for the next year for forgetting that chapter in the history books alone, nevermind their other sins.Rheahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04556747950740643324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-43168553139183140822020-04-19T06:36:40.826-07:002020-04-19T06:36:40.826-07:00People and places might have existing stocks, but ...<i>People and places might have existing stocks, but India has halted all [pharmaceutical] exports. China seems to only be shipping counterfeit goods at the moment.</i><br /><br />It says something that India is distrusted less than the PRC to supply finished drugs....<br /><br />Prior to the incompetent lockdown, India was only embargoing a fixed set of pharmaceuticals, but if the reports I've been reading are correct, they've now implicitly halted all exports of pretty much everything, not to mention production. So bad, it was made with 4 hours of notice, stopping trains in the middle of their runs, <a href="https://theloadstar.com/chaos-in-india-as-lack-of-drivers-impacts-every-sector-and-every-transport-mode/" rel="nofollow">trucks got stuck and abandoned wholesale</a>, etc. We'll be hearing more about this, I expect.ThatWouldBeTellinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16910231314995266781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-44657231642197316242020-04-19T06:32:08.600-07:002020-04-19T06:32:08.600-07:00And as late as yesterday, we STILL don't know ...<i>And as late as yesterday, we STILL don't know if you get lasting immunity from having had it. No immunity = no "herd" immunity either. Add to that, from the beginning there were reports that there was serious long term damage possible to heart, lungs, and even neurological.</i><br /><br />The long lasting is most certainly a concern, and the general issue is still up in the air, maybe mild cases don't get much immunity, but it'll take a while to determine, because we can't just deliberately expose the theoretically recovered to an infectious dose of SARS-CoV-2.<br /><br />The long term damage is I'm hoping either due to lack of oxygen, or things the micro-blood clotting found lungs and heart tissue in 3 New Orleans autopsies. And as far as I know we know, asymptomatic or nearly so cases don't have damage by definition ... but that needs to be tested.<br /><br />As you say following the above, we need to get more hard data before for example being willing to let it rip through populations.<br /><br /><i>This may come as a shock, but they don't make any money running their ER.</i><br /><br />Thanks to FDR I think it was, or Truman, anyone who shows up at an ER with a serious condition must be treated, even if they'll never pay for it.ThatWouldBeTellinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16910231314995266781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-74233601011849296152020-04-19T06:23:07.600-07:002020-04-19T06:23:07.600-07:00Are there any actual, real drug shortages?
There ...<i>Are there any actual, real drug shortages?</i><br /><br />There always are, some have been cited, but India's completely incompetent lockdown, much worse than the 2016 demonetization debacle, from what I'm reading will ensure we're going to have quite a few in a few months.<br /><br /><i>Has anyone actually determined what percentage of people with symptoms actually do have or develop the Wuhan Pneumonia?</i><br /><br />Don't think so, although there's starting to be enough antibody testing data you can make a better stab at it than the previously estimated mostly based on likely bogus PRC data 15%. Although that antibody testing will include asymptomatic or nearly so cases, generally the symptomatic get first priority in testing.<br /><br /><i>how many are false negative results? I heard 30 freaking percent? Isn't that a little high?</i><br /><br />Yeah, especially since RT-PCR tests are so sensitive. It's guessed this is due to problems in taking samples, and what parts of the body have what viral loads during which stages and intensities of disease. You'd really prefer to take samples from the lungs, but that's completely impractical until someone's in the hospital, so people are swabbed in their throat and upper nose, when per the above, if they're symptomatic, the real action is in their lungs.<br /><br /><i>False Positives? Do we do any re-tests to confirm results?</i><br /><br />The nature of RT-PCR tests makes it pretty easy to detect false positives from mistakes in the laboratory, at the same time you run real tests, you also test pure water. Before then, cross contamination of samples is <i>possible</i>, but I would guess fairly unlikely.<br /><br />For some time, the CDC was requiring state health departments to send samples of what they found positive using the CDC supplied tests to Atlanta for confirmation, a waste of precious resources, but also a double check on false positives.<br /><br /><i>What is happening in the homeless populations of cities?</i><br /><br />Several of them are testing positive for it in fairly large numbers, Boston was the latest I think.<br /><br /><i>I really want to see the antibody tests get rolled out and some mass random sampling performed.</i><br /><br />That's starting in earnest, and fortunately the FDA does not have a role in approving such tests unless they're marketed to be a sole test to determine if someone has COVID-19 for clinical purposes, at last count only one company went that far.<br /><br /><i><b>Thank you</b></i> for asking intelligent, useful questions.ThatWouldBeTellinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16910231314995266781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-14373641864450081612020-04-19T06:06:49.150-07:002020-04-19T06:06:49.150-07:00How long can you cower at home?How long can you cower at home?Great Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00195696828269430153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-44705390352165225572020-04-19T06:03:54.710-07:002020-04-19T06:03:54.710-07:00If we aren't going to test everyone, often and...<i>If we aren't going to test everyone, often and the CDC and FDA are dead set on preventing that....</i><br /><br />The CDC no longer has any say in this, their role in the beginning was to invoke a law which allowed the FDA to block everyone else, and the FDA got spanked so thoroughly that on February 29th they threw open the floodgates: self-validate and start testing, please send them an email, and please send them an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) application within 15 days.<br /><br /><a href="https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/mcm-legal-regulatory-and-policy-framework/emergency-use-authorization#2019-ncov%22" rel="nofollow">Per their EUA page</a>, under Test Kit Manufacturers and Commercial Laboratories there are now 39 not counting the CDC, and NY state's copy of their test which was granted under the old rules on the same day. And 16 under High Complexity Molecular-Based Laboratory Developed Tests, those are generally institutions like Stanford and Mass General that on their own initiative set themselves up to do testing. Plenty of the first set <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P-jaC3_d3o" rel="nofollow">are high volume automated tests</a> that can be performed by labs licensed for medium complexity testing, which is the lowest level except for tests granted waivers. Which I think are POC tests.ThatWouldBeTellinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16910231314995266781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-47267308143094253792020-04-19T05:56:48.385-07:002020-04-19T05:56:48.385-07:00The Drawin effect is pretty efficient. You anons ...The Drawin effect is pretty efficient. You anons and others like you should go on vacation to those beaches in Florida. OR STFU.Bear Claw Chris Lapphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01190524236686025884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-81060124313832412922020-04-19T05:11:58.577-07:002020-04-19T05:11:58.577-07:00Great Scott,
So what part of the laws of cause an...Great Scott,<br /><br />So what part of the laws of cause and effect would account for your county having only 83 cases with ten in the hospital?<br /><br />Hint: "only the elderly/comorbid conditions get it" is not the correct answer.Rheahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04556747950740643324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-53260482165489580322020-04-19T04:42:06.389-07:002020-04-19T04:42:06.389-07:00When you flatten the curve you put of dying or get...When you flatten the curve you put of dying or getting sick. Not make it go away.Great Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00195696828269430153noreply@blogger.com