tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post8018849714744928093..comments2024-03-28T11:58:42.109-07:00Comments on Raconteur Report: Rampant Speculation, And Unavoidable RealitiesAesophttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-11740277764099693352020-02-10T18:58:41.354-08:002020-02-10T18:58:41.354-08:00I bought half mask respirators,spare filters,goggl...I bought half mask respirators,spare filters,goggles that will fit over glasses, boxes of 8 mil nitrile gloves, medical grade bio hazard suits, and a disinfectant fogger last year as part of my preps. Looks like I may get a chance to use them. The media will probably hype this to make Orange Man look more bad. I get more accurate info from sites like this one than the media or .gov . US stats are not counting the cases from the cruise ship that docked in NJ recently. The other passengers went home so we may see an outbreak in the northeast US in 1-2 weeks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-59160089355652905562020-02-10T12:18:24.265-08:002020-02-10T12:18:24.265-08:00Peter B, thank you, I've been hearing differen...Peter B, thank you, I've been hearing different things back and forth on that, all I really know is I'm suppose to take my lisinopril every day. Loosing weight and hitting the gym seem to be helping those numbers as well so hopefully I can get off it. JNorthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01701578500596164529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-31812291589786526682020-02-10T10:59:19.478-08:002020-02-10T10:59:19.478-08:00Aesop,
I fully expect the opposite media reaction...Aesop,<br /><br />I fully expect the opposite media reaction from what Obama got. If more than a 100 primary and secondary cases crop up, the media will start screaming "pandemic!!!!"<br /><br />Count on it.Tucanae Serviceshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11935170696138248693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-59445239591262703902020-02-10T08:50:31.620-08:002020-02-10T08:50:31.620-08:00I am keeping a close eye on the quarantined cruise...I am keeping a close eye on the quarantined cruise ships.<br /><br />They are, while under quarantine, fixed ,closed, systems. And people on them are allowed to communicate with the outside world.<br /><br />Data can be hard to come by or bogus when you are talking about compiling from a population and land mass the size of China.<br /><br />The cruise ships? Not so easy to play mathematical slight of hand.<br /><br /><br />Adinonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-81641798532206389012020-02-09T20:12:16.193-08:002020-02-09T20:12:16.193-08:00FYI:
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/were-...FYI:<br /><br />https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/were-totally-dark-japan-not-doing-enough-contain-outbreak-diamond-princess-passengers<br /><br />Update (2240ET): And so the epidemic reaches China's capital Beijing. As gnews reports, as the coronavirus spreads from Wuhan, China has been implementing “closed management” by putting 80 cities under lockdown, and on Monday, Beijing authorities also issued a “Strict Closed Management of Residential Communities” in an epidemic prevention and control announcement (link here). It is an official declaration that Beijing, the country’s capital city of China, is now under lockdown.<br /><br />According to the notice, Beijing will further enforce “community closed management” in a strict manner. Outside vehicles and personnel are not allowed to enter the city. People arriving in Beijing must also report their health status and complete the registration of personal information.<br /><br />Those, who have left the epidemic area or have physical contact with persons in the epidemic area within 14 days of their arrival at Beijing, shall be inspected or quarantined at home in accordance with the regulations. They should take the initiative to report their health conditions, and cooperate with relevant management services. They shall not go out. Anyone who refuses to accept epidemic prevention measures such as medical observation and home quarantine constitutes a violation of public security management and shall be severely punished by the public security bureau according to the law.<br /><br />In addition, all public places in the Beijing community that are not essential for people’s living are closed. All agencies and enterprises must strictly strengthen body temperature monitoring. Housing agencies and landlords in Beijing must provide local government with information on rental houses and tenants. This is a measure for epidemic prevention.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-40853373816986311522020-02-08T22:42:57.997-08:002020-02-08T22:42:57.997-08:00Good information, and advice...I have been relayin...Good information, and advice...I have been relaying the "wash your hands, don't touch your face, keep distance from people with flu-like symptoms" to everyone I talk to. <br />The middle case seems to come to big fruition and clarity right around the 2020 elections...interesting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-36498490665387060452020-02-08T20:59:42.684-08:002020-02-08T20:59:42.684-08:00@Anon 6:12 and @JNorth, ACE inhibitors don't s...@Anon 6:12 and @JNorth, <a href="https://academic.oup.com/eurheartj/article/26/4/322/439241" rel="nofollow">ACE inhibitors don't seem to inhibit the ACE<b>2</b> receptor,</a> which is a good thing since ACE2 action is a counter-regulator to ACE. Not my field, so check with your doctors but unless the ACE inhibitors affect the activity and/or the population of ACE2 sites, I don't think it should be an issue <br /><br />ACE is mainly in the vascular endothelium, but IIUC correctly ACE2 is well represented in the lining of the airways; this is part of the explanation of the effect of coronaviruses on the lung. SARS also used ACE2 as invasion portals.Peter Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15122781534685443942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-89833688900380243072020-02-08T19:51:14.404-08:002020-02-08T19:51:14.404-08:00It would seem to me that as long as the power stay...It would seem to me that as long as the power stays on in places like Wuhan, that this thing cannot be THAT bad.kurt9https://www.blogger.com/profile/02101147267959016924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-16670157227087917862020-02-08T16:59:13.625-08:002020-02-08T16:59:13.625-08:00This?
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullar...This?<br />https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2761044?guestAccessKey=f61bd430-07d8-4b86-a749-bec05bfffb65&utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_content=tfl&utm_term=020720<br />Differhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15581662615586346808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-30667605983070901862020-02-08T13:54:26.842-08:002020-02-08T13:54:26.842-08:00On the subject of availability of Chinese goods......On the subject of availability of Chinese goods...<br /><br />I've had a blog commenter note that he's had Amazon orders for good produced in China canceled. If you go to Amazon and search for "surgical masks", prices are sky high compared to a couple of months ago, but you can get them. This is opposed to a few days ago, when they weren't available without a business account and a medical license. Seriously.<br /><br />I've seen things about the Internet noting various auto manufacturers are facing a parts pinch. Wuhan seems to be the center of the Chinese automotive industry from what I read.<br /><br />The extended Lunar New Year holiday is supposed to be over on Sunday and Monday is back to work. Going to be watching that one.<br /><br />I suggest ordering any Chinese stuff you need now. I just stocked up on parts for several projects a couple of days ago, even though the projects are off in the future a few weeks.The Freeholderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09989697995675652792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-89047613717793263022020-02-08T13:00:10.818-08:002020-02-08T13:00:10.818-08:00Do I really have to pound this point home with a s...Do I really have to pound this point home with a sledgehammer?<br />Did you even have to ask that question??? Most only learn through the sledgehammer...linemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18180668439619161153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-51834025947277435352020-02-08T11:39:26.716-08:002020-02-08T11:39:26.716-08:00The above link is based on more horsesh*t from Chi...The above link is based on more horsesh*t from Chinese "sources".<br />The plural of "horsesh*t" is not "data". Ever.<br />Do I really have to pound this point home with a sledgehammer?Aesophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-2814765522581074952020-02-08T10:27:20.812-08:002020-02-08T10:27:20.812-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Differhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15581662615586346808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-28538663335141981582020-02-08T09:52:02.943-08:002020-02-08T09:52:02.943-08:00^Linda Fox.
Guangzhou, the capital of China'...^Linda Fox. <br /><br />Guangzhou, the capital of China's southwestern Guangdong Province and the country's fifth largest city with nearly 15 million residents, has just joined the ranks of cities imposing a mandatory lockdown on all citizens, effectively trapping residents inside their homes, with only limited permission to venture into the outside world to buy essential supplies.<br /><br />The decision means 3 provinces, 60 cities and 400 million people are now facing China's most-strict level of lockdown as Beijing struggles to contain the coronavirus outbreak as the virus has already spread to more than 2 dozen countries.<br /><br />https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/more-400-million-people-lockdown-guangzhou-joins-quarantineAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-27115515523126083822020-02-08T08:56:15.851-08:002020-02-08T08:56:15.851-08:00Point of order:
What makes you think that a low p...Point of order:<br /><br />What makes you think that a low percentage have died??Aesophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-54126544601059664842020-02-08T07:33:07.860-08:002020-02-08T07:33:07.860-08:00There are things I have no control over:
- how my ...There are things I have no control over:<br />- how my governments (fed and local) respond<br />- how many in my local area have been exposed<br />- how overwhelmed the hospitals will be<br /><br />What I CAN effect:<br />- Laying in sufficient supplies to keep my family healthy and alive<br />- Using good sanitation measures in my environment, and good home nursing of the affected<br />- Improving my overall health - exercising, eating right, staying away from crowds/strangers as much as I can<br />- Staying calm, not panicking <br /><br />I've written about this at www.bastionofliberty.blogspot.com - just do a search on the site for coronavirus to see posts.<br /><br />Why am I concerned at all, given the low percentage that have died?<br /><br />Because China is terrified. They wouldn't quarantine 50 million people for a cold. They KNOW the potential for pandemic of epic proportions is there.<br /><br />Which makes me think: bioweapon on the loose.Linda Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15024201252345608291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-60682692161719705842020-02-08T06:44:43.271-08:002020-02-08T06:44:43.271-08:00Which is why I wholly disregard them. They're ...Which is why I wholly disregard them. They're not "data", they're pure propaganda.Aesophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-79800599754583575502020-02-08T05:05:41.539-08:002020-02-08T05:05:41.539-08:00Plotting the WHO numbers (essentially Chinese data...Plotting the WHO numbers (essentially Chinese data) gives a quadratic (x^2) growth rate rather than exponential. Tends to lend credence to claims of data manipulation. Differhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15581662615586346808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-4576259791343371802020-02-07T22:32:11.520-08:002020-02-07T22:32:11.520-08:00... stupid me, forgot to drop the link I mentioned...... stupid me, forgot to drop the link I mentioned! Here it is: https://whatkillsit.com/virus/what-kills-coronavirus/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-15505023612639912852020-02-07T22:30:29.334-08:002020-02-07T22:30:29.334-08:00@Aesop:
I was introduced to your site by bayouren...@Aesop:<br /><br />I was introduced to your site by bayourennman (your article about not closing up wounds if you don't know what the heck you're doing, good article), and I figured I' just drop a "thank you" for your stuff so far.<br /><br />Been poking around the 'nets looking for information on what may/may not be effective in killing this stuff off on surfaces/hands, and I was wondering if you had any generic comments about killing virus in general on surfaces and such. (I mean, besides the mandatory don't touch stuff, keep away from people, DO NOT TOUCH YOUR FACE & etc ... If I see one more stupid emotional support animal in a public place I will have a meltdown ... grrr...)<br /><br />I've no idea if this link I'm about to post is good information, but it at least seems to be directing itself at the current strain. Thoughts? I'll probably be hitting up the stores for some extra supplies shortly in this area.<br /><br />Either way, TYVM for your posts (and your otherwise excellent blog)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-25184475116279340942020-02-07T20:54:41.541-08:002020-02-07T20:54:41.541-08:00Anon 6:12, I was under the impression that ACE inh...Anon 6:12, I was under the impression that ACE inhibitors prevented / reduced the production of Angiotensin-converting enzyme so if the corona virus is targeting that would that not reduce out susceptibility to it? I may be misunderstanding how it works, I'm an engineer, medicine isn't really my area.JNorthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01701578500596164529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-80317272067331239362020-02-07T18:12:58.669-08:002020-02-07T18:12:58.669-08:00One of the issues is that it SEEMS to use an Angio...One of the issues is that it SEEMS to use an Angiotensin/ACE receptor link up. Means those of us using ACE Inhibitor meds need to be just a TAD more careful.<br /><br />SEVERAL of my folks on my board have been watching this since it first broke last year (and yes we are up to 3,000 responses and posts on it) so we have a kind of archive for later perusal (by the light of cave fires, on our diesel-powered Amish computers. (LOL TB2k HUMOR) Thread is 240 pages of 40 posts each. SUGGEST perusal of the last --- oh --- 5-15 pages. We are working on keeping the insanity down to a dull roar. http://xf.timebomb2000.com/xf/index.php?threads/main-coronavirus-thread.566780/page-240<br /><br />For non-members, pics may not render for ya.Night driverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14034183882627686763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-30459311402822453912020-02-07T17:47:53.281-08:002020-02-07T17:47:53.281-08:001) I am soooo stealing "kung flu".
2) I...1) I am <i>soooo</i> stealing "kung flu".<br /><br />2) If it's ordinary corona virus, it comes, it goes, if you're in the lucky 97%you're immune...to <i>that</i> strain.Aesophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-51319936748045471522020-02-07T17:01:51.486-08:002020-02-07T17:01:51.486-08:00The meme at the end end of the article is LOL gall...The meme at the end end of the article is LOL gallows humor.<br /><br />I've been thinking about our host's comment on the "all things we buy in stores and online come from China" for a couple weeks now. What I've found very strange is why the stock market hasn't reacted to this situation in a sustained way yet. Maybe today's down turn is the start of reality, stock market and world economy wise (shrug). <br /><br />According to latest reaports, ~50million Chinese are under quarantine now or ~3.5% of their total population. As quarantine protocols expand throughout China, their economy has to start taking a hit at some point. That will precipitate economic impacts through every economy on the planet and will probably result in a world wide recession perhaps even a depression, which might help stop the spread of the virus due to fewer transmission opportunities.<br /><br />However, if you're unemployed and contract the virus, with no healthcare benefits, well I don't need to paint that picture any further. Although, hospitalization may not be a determining factor in survival. There's not enough reliable info out there to make a determination yet.<br /><br />The other thing that is disconcerting here, is the possibility of mutation into an even more lethal form. or combining with some of the near epidemic viruses rampant in the Chinese livestock industries. That would really be game over except if you can avoid all contact with human or animal and have enough preps for 3-6 months of holing up until this thing can burn out. Not likely.<br /><br />NemoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-55374975829058593722020-02-07T16:32:20.080-08:002020-02-07T16:32:20.080-08:00Aesop,
Quick question. The numbers suggest 93+...Aesop,<br /> Quick question. The numbers suggest 93+ percent recovery. What does "recovery" mean? Is it defined as merely asymptomatic? Is it possible that the virus (to be referred to as "the sniffles" or maybe "kung flu", might remain active in the body? Has there been any studies of "survivors" regarding their prognoses for continued good health? Any follow-on damage as the result of the infection? <br /><br />Inquiring minds NEED to know, and this might be a partial answer as to why governments are closing borders, quarantining, etc.elysianfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03455259748394485019noreply@blogger.com