tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post7242537076080170637..comments2024-03-28T07:24:33.209-07:00Comments on Raconteur Report: Rape RapeAesophttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-5917947123358903442014-10-14T13:36:35.371-07:002014-10-14T13:36:35.371-07:00That's a lot of ifs.
Worse, it's rumor-mo...That's a lot of ifs.<br /><br />Worse, it's rumor-mongering.<br />I just got a link to one of the stories alleging that the BF was hospitalized with symptoms.<br /><br />Problem is, the e-mail they cite for evidence specifically says the BF was hospitalized WITH NO EBOLA SYMPTOMS WHATSOEVER, thus purely as a precaution.<br /><br />So the idiots running the story don't even read their own stuff (or can't read at all.)<br /><br />If it isn't fixed in a reasonable amount of time, or sourced better, they're getting featured as the next @$$clowns <i>du jour</i>.Aesophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-48384549350084446672014-10-14T10:19:03.388-07:002014-10-14T10:19:03.388-07:00Not sure where to post this question so I'm pu...Not sure where to post this question so I'm putting it here:<br />So the nurse self-monitors and reports symptoms on 10/10.<br /><br />The earliest she could have been exposed to Duncan was 9/25 so based on what we know about incubation that makes sense.<br /><br />However, I'm seeing rumors that her boyfriend has also been admitted to the hospital with suspect symptoms.<br /><br />If he is a positive then how if the didn't work at the hospital and it's not supposed to be transmittable if you're not symptomatic?Scott Jnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-48120292783834903792014-10-13T20:43:56.572-07:002014-10-13T20:43:56.572-07:00Let's see WCO.
You posted 'millions contr...Let's see WCO. <br />You posted 'millions contract and thousands die' from various influenza infections.<br /><br />True. <br /><br />The death rate data for 'the flu' is 5 million infected will get you 500,000 dead, on average.<br /><br />Well, we all know the current strain of Ebola has a death rate that if those 5 million were infected, you'd have 3 to 3.5 million dead. <br /><br />You say to 'let you know' when Ebola in the U.S. gets to a million infected.<br /><br />We won't have to. You'll know it too well yourself when there's around 6 to 7 HUNDRED THOUSAND dead.<br /><br />It's interesting you rate the two virus as equivalent. Are you really that optimistic, or just mathematically challenged? Milesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-39618482683198324852014-10-13T20:38:38.014-07:002014-10-13T20:38:38.014-07:00Hasn't anyone ever heard of "immaculate i...Hasn't anyone ever heard of "immaculate infection"? It is quite common in the STD world, so why not with Ebola?<br /><br />And hey, that could count for one miracle. Whoever gets the credit has just one more miracle to go to get canonised by the Vatican. Robin Dattahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15358491380192365005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-8947609952941864802014-10-13T19:52:21.333-07:002014-10-13T19:52:21.333-07:00Assuming that there'd still be an Internet aft...Assuming that there'd still be an Internet after Ebola got to that level?<br /><br />You really <i>are</i> an optimist about all this.Aesophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-50320678469835103832014-10-13T09:46:40.018-07:002014-10-13T09:46:40.018-07:00Probably true, due mainly to economics and logisti...Probably true, due mainly to economics and logistics.<br /><br />BL4 is appropriate in a CDC bioresearch lab where only a few people are going to be working, and money is printed by the boss.<br /><br />Not so much in a plastic-sheet Ebola Treatment Center where $50 is a month's wages.<br /><br />And <i>Medecins Sans Frontieres</i> has an excellent safety record with that level of precautions, but note that they also assign two people to assist everyone to dress properly, and two more to spray people down and assist with de-gowning properly.<br /><br />That's not the protocol here, and I'm sure no one is doing it. Hospitals and their administrators are penny-pinching bastards, and this is a case where cheap is going to kill people.<br /><br />But staff costs money, and most hospitals are on the ragged edge of profit/loss every year.<br /><br />That's why I've said all along the most cost-effective solution is to do everything humanly possible to keep infected people from getting here in the first place.<br /><br />Once Patient Zero walks in your door, you've already failed. Anything after that is trying to salvage a tie from a defeat.<br /><br />Now you're seeing the predictable results of that original failure.Aesophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-19107984199859249402014-10-13T09:33:28.704-07:002014-10-13T09:33:28.704-07:00Aesop,
I've been looking at the photos of hea...Aesop,<br /><br />I've been looking at the photos of health care workers both here and in Africa. What I am seeing suggests to me that "PPE" is actually to BSL-3 standards. Ebola does indeed qualify as BSL-4. <br /><br />Comments please<br /><br />WinstonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-10911489327771232042014-10-13T08:34:47.336-07:002014-10-13T08:34:47.336-07:00Healthcare workers have been dropping like flies s...Healthcare workers have been dropping like flies since this started.<br />And now our first homegrown case is someone who was wearing full PPE, so we can't lay it off to third-world healthcare and poverty of supplies.<br />Assuming the protocol is not the problem <b>is</b> the problem.<br /><br />And supplying an imaginary answer from a position of <b>zero</b> facts is the height of self-serving jackassery.<br /><br />CDC knows <i>nothing</i> about how this happened. Frieden and Fauci know <i>nothing</i> about how this happened.<br /><br />An honest and scientific investigation would start by not knee-jerk blaming the victim, and instead focus on seeking and disseminating knowledge, rather than trying to palm off another case as somebody else's fault (which helpfully absolves Frieden and the CDC of culpability for everything that's happened as a result of their policies.<br /><br />Leadership is to find the problem and fix it.<br /><br />Frieden is seeking only to fix the blame. Having selected the cause, anything further can only be a quest to justify that conclusion.Aesophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-46409157020423266162014-10-13T08:18:02.318-07:002014-10-13T08:18:02.318-07:00It seems that there are 3 possibilities. In order...It seems that there are 3 possibilities. In order of increasing likelihood, they are:<br /><br />1. The protocols suck. Not very likely as they've protected other doctors for years.<br /><br />2. Breach. At some point she was not following protocol. This would probably have been at some OTHER TIME than the instance CDC keeps referring to her as following protocol -- i.e., she contracted it earlier/ later/ while washing her PPE or otherwise not in the room with Duncan. OR,<br /><br />3. She was infected by contact with someone else -- i.e., NOT Duncan. That person has not yet developed symptoms or been diagnosed positive for Ebola.<br /><br />With a three week window possible between infection and first symptoms, the CDC continues to assume that "first diagnosed = first infected". So when someone else -- a member of Duncan's family, for example -- gets diagnosed, they'll be scrambling to find out how that person got infected BY this Presby nurse, instead of (as a sane person might) realizing that the nurse was infected by that person, or by some third party who was infected by that person. It was just that the nurse spotted her own symptoms and self-reported BEFORE the other person, even though the other (as-yet- non-symptomatic) person was infected first and spreading the virus.<br /><br />In other words, somebody OTHER THAN Duncan, and OTHER THAN the individuals that officials are "tracking", has the virus and has unknown identity and whereabouts.<br /><br />Maybe just me, but that last seems more likely than the twin assumptions that<br />A. the protocol was both followed AND not followed. Or,<br />B. the protocol is both flawless AND flawed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-181032577892890412014-10-13T07:46:08.659-07:002014-10-13T07:46:08.659-07:00banned from GLP for their usual bs reasons-i don&#...banned from GLP for their usual bs reasons-i don't PAY to read it/will not subscibe/how much money do THEY WANT-<br />anyway, they have the thread that there is security tape proving that the Dallas nurse followed protocol.<br />i cannot view it BUT u can. <br /><br />www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2666699/pg1<br /><br />so for your discretion,here it is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-71783855034863154392014-10-13T06:54:54.845-07:002014-10-13T06:54:54.845-07:00Why wait? It takes less than 15 minutes on the ph...Why wait? It takes less than 15 minutes on the phone or computer to "get your money out of the stock market." I know because I did it myself. <br /><br />It doesn't matter WHY they are doing it (although you can see that 'preventing panic' is justifiably high on their list of concerns). It only matters that they ARE doing it. All the rest is speculation, and the wilder the speculation, the less credible everything associated with it gets. Please don't poison this well with all the usual BS secret masters stuff. I'll say it again, it doesn't matter who might be secretly doing what for whatever mysterious reason. <br /><br />Work on getting your own life in order. Prepare to support and defend your loved ones. DON'T get distracted.<br /><br /><br />Thanks Aesop, keep it coming.<br /><br />nickAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-47931363677870033532014-10-13T06:15:46.148-07:002014-10-13T06:15:46.148-07:00 Yeah were screwed good. I left the USA for the... Yeah were screwed good. I left the USA for the Philippines on August 6th. When I arrived in Manila, they had us fill out a medical evaluation card. This was the first time ever that this was a requirement, so I know it is because of Ebola.<br /><br /> The end result? Before Immigration window they had us hand our cards to a young man standing in the middle of the hallway. Thats it! No doctors, no medical exam. Nothing! Just give them the magical card and walk right into the country. <br /><br /> So far there are no reports of Ebola here, but when there are there is no way to contain it here. Millions will die. I blame President Obola first and foremost or should I blame his Illuminati Masters?<br /><br /> Building a NWO on blood and death. That is a NWO I want no part of. Faucking arsholes!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-55676482478950023302014-10-13T05:35:15.709-07:002014-10-13T05:35:15.709-07:00W need flamethrowers, lot and lots of flamethrower...W need flamethrowers, lot and lots of flamethrowers....DaShuihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13731696293751625845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-75796303809962532152014-10-13T04:31:05.987-07:002014-10-13T04:31:05.987-07:00I wonder if people can look ahead in this and see ...I wonder if people can look ahead in this and see the inevitable scenario that's coming: "they" have already lost control - they did that when this zero guy presented and was sent home with a prescription. The whole Dallas area is already a hot zone - simply put, there is a small but important (since your life may depend upon it) statistical chance that any person you encounter there may be shedding ebola virus. There is a small but important possibility that this hot zone will be extended to basically everywhere, over time. It won't be too long before the entire emergency health care system breaks down, first in regions, and, finally, nationwide. It might take some months, but it will happen. But, long before that, the economic engine will be fatally impacted with a massive coronary. Fear is a powerful motivator. And now, you know why they've built all the camps, why they've stockpiled millions of caskets, and why all the agencies have armed themselves up against "the people."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-91845654926236576212014-10-13T03:44:05.841-07:002014-10-13T03:44:05.841-07:00What Frieden needs to admit is that the virus is p...What Frieden needs to admit is that the virus is passed quite easily in aerosol, as in coughing and sneezing and there is a growing body of evidence that it also is passed when the patient is asymptomatic. I think at this point TPTB are trying to contain the panic until they can pull their money out of the stock market. Once Ebola starts on a roll in North America, all bets are off. I hate to state it that simply but like all other things, its all about money. The "protocol" comments may be correct but if protocol means level 4 protection and perfect procedures, there is no way in hell we are going to contain this. Too late; Game overAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-11997153973786554282014-10-13T03:43:33.822-07:002014-10-13T03:43:33.822-07:00Love your blog and the commonsense. I hate the li...Love your blog and the commonsense. I hate the lies we are told and the kabuki dances of Washington and the press.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-84434729167363101542014-10-13T02:32:00.953-07:002014-10-13T02:32:00.953-07:00The nurse went symptomatic on Friday 10/10.
Worki...The nurse went symptomatic on Friday 10/10.<br /><br />Working backwards from the based upon average incubation the she was most likely exposed in the 9/25-28 timeframe when Duncan first had contact with the hospital.<br /><br />We already know the hospital was being quite careless at that initial stage so I wonder if all the talk of PPE now is an attempt to cover up said carelessness?Scott Jnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-60036556041311169662014-10-12T20:31:31.309-07:002014-10-12T20:31:31.309-07:00The CDC guidelines are pretty poorly written. Poss...The CDC guidelines are pretty poorly written. Possibly deliberately.<br />Common sense says you use impermeable gowns/coveralls (which is what MSF/Doctors Without Borders uses in Africa). But hospitals can get away with tissue-thin barrier gowns, and still meet the letter of the CDC "guidelines" for droplet precautions for Ebola.<br /><br />Apparently, that's news to the CDC director, and he doesn't know that, but he has magical knowledge of what happened in an ICU room four states away inside of which he's never been.<br /><br />At this point, 90% of the time his mouth is open, I hear a never-ending stream of bullshit spewing straight to the floor.<br />The challenge is to find the bits of truth he mixes in with all his self-assured cover stories, hand waving, and arm-flapping.Aesophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-57255827083686506862014-10-12T19:50:40.778-07:002014-10-12T19:50:40.778-07:00Absolutely loving your blog, you remind me of my D...Absolutely loving your blog, you remind me of my Dad, who would've been saying the same things if he'd been here, I'm pretty certain.<br /><br />One thing you've already covered in your blog is the KIND of PPE people wearing making a difference. (Nurse on the right vs. nurse on the left). <br /><br />What PPE were people in Dallas wearing and what PPE has been required/suggested to the average HCW by the CDC? <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com