tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post6446945904770699284..comments2024-03-28T11:58:42.109-07:00Comments on Raconteur Report: Chickens Gonna ChickenshitAesophttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-10986027858952594452018-04-17T17:17:20.834-07:002018-04-17T17:17:20.834-07:00Read the Deep Winter series. Though it's ficti...Read the Deep Winter series. Though it's fiction, exactly what you describe takes place: the US _gains_ territory.<br /><br />And good job with the fisking, Aesop.Backwoods Engineerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13666984602233967254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-29437264673984382792018-04-13T02:30:20.676-07:002018-04-13T02:30:20.676-07:00There are a number of serious issues with secessio...There are a number of serious issues with secession.<br /><br />1) as Aesop points out, neither side of the political divide wants it; both Left and Right believe that they are going to win. The Left believes it will win by default, mistaking the forbearance of the Right for weakness and thinking that their progessive gradualist putsch will be allowed to continue, while the Right believes it will win by force of arms once matters reach a tipping point. When all sides in a disagreement believe they can win, there is no incentive for negotiation.<br /><br />2) more seriously, the Left has the edge in urban populations, largely consumers of life's essentials, notably food, water, and electrical power, while the Right has the edge among the productive sub-rubs and rural areas which produce such things. The left cannot afford to lose their control of their population by losing control of the rural areas that support the major cities. The Left will fight to maintain control of those, to the last drop of blood in the last True Beleiver.<br /><br />Bottom line:<br />Either the entire presently united States will become a socialist hell-hole a' la Venezuela, followed by a resounding collapse, or it will move back before that collapse towards a more free culture, possibly a limited constitutional republic but with enforcement clauses, or another structure more supportive of individual liberty. However it turns out, Reality will not be denied. <br /><br />That which cannot be supported WILL NOT BE. One way or another the 'free lunch' many 'Americans' have been counting on is just about finished.<br /><br />With regard to all who serve the Light,<br />Historian <br /><br />Historianhttp://www.libertyhollow.weebly.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-79776409560257755992018-04-12T23:42:19.825-07:002018-04-12T23:42:19.825-07:00The Silent Majority have a nice comfortable life, ...The Silent Majority have a nice comfortable life, so far.<br />The spark that wakes us up, will be when that is threatened for real.<br />That spark is there, just not visible yet.<br />The chicoms and or russkis are just hoping the spark flares up.<br /><br />Excellent post Sir. <br />Skiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05684179171065794525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-34248421462988920102018-04-12T22:30:12.806-07:002018-04-12T22:30:12.806-07:00Partition of India & Pakistan in 1947 did not ...Partition of India & Pakistan in 1947 did not work out so well, millions died, so I'm siding with AesopAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-2816683194931119252018-04-12T14:14:31.748-07:002018-04-12T14:14:31.748-07:00Hey Aesop:
Appreciate your follow-up comments. F...Hey Aesop:<br /><br />Appreciate your follow-up comments. For the most part I agree with your positions on the issues discussed.<br /><br />It just seems that in the past year or so the madness levels accepted as normal have accelerated dramatically.<br /><br />The Las Vegas shooting & subsequent investigation (and I use the term loosely) if not for all the deaths and injuries would be Barney Fife comical. Now we have the FL HS shooting with multiple failures of Fed/State & local government agencies and yet the solutions are from whining teenagers. They are being recognized as the beacons of hope for the nation? It makes me want to cry.<br /><br />The public indoctrination school system has been very successful in creating generations of clueless citizen-serfs with no concept of liberty or of history. Which is why I am not as optimistic as you regarding "when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object". <br /><br />I am afraid given the increase in numbers on the prog-side of the equation, that they will maintain their Alinsky/Fabian approach. They will chip away little by little until like the "frog in boiling water" it's to late for us.<br /><br />I worry about the country my progeny will inherit, it doesn't look good no matter how I game it in my head. But I appreciate that you keep rattling the chains.<br /><br />Vaya con dios,<br />dw<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />SecessionIsTheAnswerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02403619639431483599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-73321014176824665042018-04-12T10:39:03.184-07:002018-04-12T10:39:03.184-07:00A national divorce is farcical, fanciful, and impo...A national divorce is farcical, fanciful, and impossible.<br />Neither side would countenance it, for the reasons already laid out repeatedly.<br />It won't work, and is in no one's interest, now nor later.<br /><br />The "movements" pursuing this on any side are the same sort of loons who populate the Flat Earth Society. Inability to recognize reality is not a <i>forte</i> at the bargaining table.<br />It is, in fact, the poster child of childish magical thinking.<br />They are Elizabeth Swan, shouting "Parlay!" to Captain Barbossa, and Neville Chamberlain, confidently waving overhead Hitler's sincere assurance of "Peace in our time!"<br /><br />And war, war, war, isn't my <i>preferred</i> approach, as anyone who'd read anything I posted would know, it's entirely a matter of simple physics, when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object.<br /><br />On one side, you have jackholes who think they should be allowed to run everyone's life, who won't take "No!" for an answer, instead preferring to push the pendulum of history as far to the left as they can, perpetually, and then top themselves.<br /><br />On the other side, people who're willing to fight to be left alone, and better armed than <b>literally</b> 1,000 D-Day invasion forces.<br /><br />That can only, ever, end in oceans of blood.<br /><br />Perhaps you vaguely recall some inkling of the exploits of Stalin, Mao, Castro, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Minh, and momentarily, Maduro?<br /><br />Ask countless peoples throughout history how parlaying with dictators plays out for their catspaws. And shout loudly when you do, because the Afterlife is a long, long ways off, and the ears in the trenches full of mounded up hordes of the slaughtered have all long since rotted away.Aesophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-36636889782830128242018-04-12T08:26:30.644-07:002018-04-12T08:26:30.644-07:00You diminish yourself with this type of childish n...You diminish yourself with this type of childish nonsense. What happened to the Aesop that reported on the Ebola threat?<br /><br />A national divorce would be a painful and difficult solution, but a solution that merits serious consideration. There are already movements on the right and left pursuing this. It is the opposite of the Civil War 2.0 you cite. Further, would the rivers of blood you predict will flow if a national divorce is pursued, be greater or lessor than the rivers of blood that will be the consequence of your preferred approach, "war, war, war"? warpignoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-2492938960927982018-04-12T07:29:32.178-07:002018-04-12T07:29:32.178-07:00@Joe Fondren
1) Scroll up a couple of replies, or ...@Joe Fondren<br />1) Scroll up a couple of replies, or down two posts.<br /><br />2) Secession is for morons. Like the OP. For openers, it requires two willing partners, and in this case, you'd have a total of zero. That's going to be a bitch, by itself.<br /><br />3) More than willing partners, it requires both sides to feel they got what they deserved. Another cast-iron bitch.<br />The nanny-staters think they deserve everything. "<i>That which is yours is mine, and that which is mine is also mine.</i>."<br />Us leave-us-the-f**k-alone types know we deserve that much, but will never get even so little as even that.<br /><br />3a) Just to make conflict a lead-pipe cinch, the asinine map attempted by Witless Wonderboy would ensure fulsome and prodigious amounts of blood-letting on <i>both</i> sides of his Federalist Fantasyland line, early, and in earnest. In fact, it would both guarantee it, and be the overwhelming and proximate <i>cause</i> of it happening virtually instantly. As Sam Eliot observed, that's "a special kind of stupid."<br /><br />4) You can try to re-define the Civil War as a banana too, but it wasn't one.<br />10½ states (out of 34) wanted to leave. In a divorce, <i>you</i> can leave, but you don't get to take ½ the house with you when you do, nor stay in your half after you "go". If the Confederacy could have sawn themselves off and drifted out to sea, maybe it might have worked. (Except for having to give back Louisiana and Arkansas as part of the Louisiana purchase, just for openers. Which would have removed Texas from the equation, and probably have made it an independent republic once again.) But trying to have two people who hate each other live in the same house(nation) works and ends about as well in actuality as in did in the mediocre flick <i>The War Of the Roses</i>. If everybody in 10½ southern states had simply packed up all their goods (including slaves) and decamped elsewhere, they would have been met with streamers and wreaths of roses at the docks of departure. But wanting to stay and simultaneously go never works, and it didn't. Just because they wanted what they could never have, doesn't magically transform it into a struggle against tyranny. (If you can point to the section wherein the Constitution describes the "Unless I don't like it, in which case I'll take my ball and go home" Clause, at which point I'll cheerfully concede the point.) But if that fantasy gets people to sleep soundly at night, far be it for me to disturb their nocturnal imaginations.<br /><br />5) My "plan", is to prepare for the day when jaw, jaw, jaw, becomes war, war, war.<br />The other side doesn't appear bright enough to take "F**k off with that nonsense!" for a final answer. And now seems bent upon trying to achieve with threats of violence what they couldn't coerce by bluster or arrogated moral superiority, contrary to the supreme laws of the land and the will of the people, both of which seem to them more like Pirate's Code "guidelines" rather than actual things to be considered or followed.<br />What I'm afraid of is that I won't be as entirely ready as I should be or would like to be on the day. But who ever is?Aesophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-27316317547315729752018-04-12T05:38:57.862-07:002018-04-12T05:38:57.862-07:00WOW, I AM impressed! A truly spectacular rant. I c...WOW, I AM impressed! A truly spectacular rant. I can only add a Jelly Doughnut, FMJ.<br />Joe X<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-65435837217800455662018-04-12T04:49:36.564-07:002018-04-12T04:49:36.564-07:00Calling it a "Civil War" does not make i...Calling it a "Civil War" does not make it one. A civil war is two or more factions fighting for control of a particular geographical area or government. Lincoln's War to Prevent Southern Independence was exactly the same type of conflict as the American Revolution, an independence movement to break free from the "tyranny of the majority" in the US House of Representatives, as from George III and the British Parliament.<br /><br />I was always a fan of R. Lee Ermy, but always remember his final scene in Full Metal Jacket.<br /><br />Much of the conflicts in recent years stems from artificial borders being drawn in the Middle East (WW I), Eastern Europe (WW II), and Africa (Colonization for exploitation). Our American artificial borders are "city-states" formed by the attraction to the largess and welfare provided by natural abundance on the one hand, and the unnatural fake abundance created by Bretton Woods and abandoning the gold standard. I'm not sure that any kind of peaceful coalescence between inhabitants of the city-states and fly-over country folks is possible, or that any form of secession would provide a decent outcome; but once the awfullest, bloodiest conflict this planet has ever witnessed begins, thinking people will wonder, maybe we should have tried just seceding. <br /><br />Aesop, you obviously have a grasp of history that could maybe use a bit of fine-tuning but it's a shame you only used it for a rant. If you could take a deep breath and in the comments with two or three sentences tell slow guys like me what is YOUR plan, or even what is your POINT other than the other guy is a sorry motherfucker. LOL<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07427768381715428732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-81795188704599467312018-04-12T01:43:12.317-07:002018-04-12T01:43:12.317-07:00Happy to oblige, Phil.
You shoulda watched Ken Bu...Happy to oblige, Phil.<br /><br />You shoulda watched Ken Burns' <i>The Civil War</i> on PBS back in the day.<br />About the only damned thing worth watching there in forty years.<br /><br />Mclean was the only guy in history to have a Civil War start on his front porch, and end in his living room.Aesophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-3779716917698051852018-04-12T01:00:16.965-07:002018-04-12T01:00:16.965-07:00I had a shit eating grin on my face all the way th...I had a shit eating grin on my face all the way through that.<br />Dude, that was epic.<br />Spot the fuck on too.<br />Thanks for the trivia at the end, I did not know that little bit of history.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15695733883033137146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-86453010296210591402018-04-11T22:24:04.541-07:002018-04-11T22:24:04.541-07:00(cont.)
6) The lemmings are growing in size. They&...(cont.)<br />6) The lemmings are growing in size. They're growing their presumed political power. What they fail to realize is that it's the illusion of power, like a double yellow line on the road, or a red light at an intersection. Those only work as long as <i>everyone</i> follows them. One drunk driver and it all goes to hell in screeching brakes and carnage.<br />And the Democommunists have been driving drunk for 60 years and more. They're about to get pulled over.<br />7) The solution, exactly as Chairman Mao suggested, will proceed from the barrel of a gun.<br />For reference, the NRA is twice the size of just our current military. The number of gun owners is ten times the size of the largest army we ever fielded, which won world wars against three nations on three continents in 4 1/2 years.<br />And all those pretty toys and shiny bases depend for every waking moment on the sufferance and goodwill of the people who surround them 24/7/365, for everything from gasoline to power for the lights to food for the chow hall.<br />At the end of the day, their chance against a contrary populace would be that of the convict against the noose; they would die kicking at air, wishing they'd made other life choices were they to turn on the nation's populace, and no small number would shoot the leaders who tried. You can get away with a Bonus Army/Manzanar/Kent State/Waco incident about once every quarter century; after that, the folks will shoot you coming out of the latrine, proactively, and you're done.<br />The .mil knows this in their marrow. The Progtards are going to find out that if push comes to shove, <i>they'll</i> be the ones on the menu.<br />8)<i>Everyone</i> likes hot/cold running water, electricity and grocery stores stocked with food. Wanting and having are two entirely different things.<br />What can't continue, won't.<br />The Welfare State is about out of time, money, altitude, and airspeed. Let alone the good wishes of the populace.<br />the cockroach class will survive as a remnant, and the rest, as in all times, will find that those who can, do, and thrive, and the useless teat-suckers get slaughtered with the rest of the pigs.<br />9)If you have to ask "when?", it isn't time.<br />The point is not to worry about "when". It's to understand that it's going to be "when", and not "if", and to be ready, on the day.<br />The folks interested in retreating behind another imaginary line may not be interested in another civil war, when it comes, but a civil war will certainly be interested in them.<br /><br />One is reminded of nothing so apropos as poor Wilmer Mclean. Like the OP's protagonist, he was a former military man who owned a house in the Virginia countryside in 1861. It was near Manassas, and during the first Battle of Bull Run, was P.T. Beauregard's HQ, and struck by cannon fire. After Second Manassas took place in the front yard, Mclean had had quite enough of Civil War, and moved himself and his pregnant wife to a quieter place. Near the courthouse, at Appomattox. Where the final surrender of Lee to Grant was literally signed in his living room.<br /><br />Mr. Kelly had better hope his real estate agent has a better sense of location, location, location.Aesophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-64176478359294180062018-04-11T22:23:49.625-07:002018-04-11T22:23:49.625-07:001) I clearly identified the ad hominem as blatantl...1) I clearly identified the <i>ad hominem</i> as blatantly such.<br />When someone is that much of a sonofabitch, it's merited, even if outside the bounds of logical disputation.<br />2) Let's be clear: I impugned the <i>lack</i> of character and state heritage of the carpetbagging ignoramus in question.<br />Anyone can be wrong. But to be deliberately stupid, and lie, while carpetbagging, usually requires a former FLOTUS with Parkinsons, and delusions of grandeur.<br />3) There isn't going to be any "amicable divorce". The phrase is an oxymoron equal to "military intelligence", "government help", and "jumbo shrimp".<br />4) The actual voter counts and bodies are meaningless. So is the popular vote. That's <i>why</i> we aren't a democracy. Democracy is merely mob rule, with a patent of legitimacy.<br />5) The numbers can move to 90% against us, but short of 270 electoral votes, it's meaningless. You wanna worry, worry about what happens when Califrutopia's Liberal Paradise suffers financial collapse, and the other 47 contiguous states get all their toothless, banjo-playing <i>communist</i> kinfolk back, <i>en masse</i>.<br />They aren't Californians now, and they won't be when they move back home, but you'll be dealing with the demographic catastrophe wherever you are when they purple up twenty more states, followed by the inevitable illegal alien hordes.<br />(cont.)Aesophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-39839016656992607672018-04-11T17:30:44.070-07:002018-04-11T17:30:44.070-07:00Well Mr. Aesop, that's quite the rebuttal.
Be...Well Mr. Aesop, that's quite the rebuttal.<br /><br />Been reading your blog for a bit and usually I enjoy and generally agree with your posts/positions. Definitely supported your posts regarding the nurse in Utah that was assaulted by jackboots a while back. And even when we disagree, you typically provide some data backing your position.<br /><br />You as always are a talented and creative wordsmith and this post is no exception. But I am surprised at the vitriol spewing forth in this post? As entertaining as the post is, you usually provide some pretty solid support/evidence for your position. Unfortunately in this case I am not seeing it.<br /><br />You begin by impugning the character and state heritage of the writer of the post in the Federalist. Again, it's entertaining at times, but attacking the writer and not the issue/position is very much a prog rules for radicals approach.<br /><br />I would agree with your position regarding the map ( although it's very similar to the one from Schlichter's book ) , but numerous folks who posted comments on his article presented alternate maps for discussion. In reality, should this occur, I seriously doubt things would break along current state lines. I would also argue your point about "real" country borders not changing. The rumblings in Scotland and Catalonia may or may not cause border shifts in Britain and Spain, but the possibility now exists and is closer to reality than ever before.<br /><br />The Clinton Archipelago & Trumpland maps are cool representations of the last presidential election, but they are also geographical presentations of the election results and not of the actual voter head counts or bodies. The fact is, Clinton won the popular vote, so thank God for the founder's electoral college solution. The concerning issue being that the numbers are moving quickly past the 50% mark and are not in our favor.<br /><br />Where you and I are in total agreement is the fact that the prog leaders running this country into the ground absolutely know that they can't let us leave, because we're the productive ones. So as you state, it would lead to an actual "hot Civil War 2". Which for those paying attention is why they are coming hard for our weapons (reference Venezuela for a present day example of a disarmed starving serfdom).<br /><br />So my question for you is what is your solution? <br /><br />I am not going to list all the challenges facing this country, you are painfully aware of them. The problem is that the trend is not moving in the right direction and the "powers-that-be" and their lemming minion hordes are growing in size and power.<br /><br />The Federalist writer, probably likes hot/cold running water, electricity and grocery stores stocked with food. I would agree that those are things that make life more enjoyable. Now look at Venezuela, Syria, Yugoslavia, anywhere else where there's been a civil war. It's not a pleasant picture. <br /><br />So while I agree with you that it's a very long shot that FUSA would ever peaceably split-up, the concept does have merit.<br /><br />Look Aesop, I am truly not trying to f*ck with you. I am on your side and I was hoping for some answers buried inside of your rant. I mean you are behind enemy lines in Calistan, do you even have an AR? (don't answer that!) You state towards the end of your post that you love this country and you're not giving it up without spilling blood. <br /><br />Fair enough and patriotic. But to paraphrase Claire Wolfe - "when is it time to start shooting"?SecessionIsTheAnswerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02403619639431483599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-84008233416751309272018-04-11T15:07:59.128-07:002018-04-11T15:07:59.128-07:00Well said! My veteran husband loved it. LOLWell said! My veteran husband loved it. LOLAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09161915806667555767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-42801117771488111812018-04-11T13:49:10.489-07:002018-04-11T13:49:10.489-07:00It was funny the first time I read it, then the se...It was funny the first time I read it, then the second time I imagined it all in the voice of R. Lee Emery. The only think I can think of better would be if the author had one of his former gunny sargeants call him up and read the whole thing to him. J Jnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-22903942119966890312018-04-11T13:22:23.226-07:002018-04-11T13:22:23.226-07:00Most excellently well done, Sir!! Most excellently well done, Sir!! 15Fixernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-76802740006290338942018-04-11T12:56:52.955-07:002018-04-11T12:56:52.955-07:00So many LOLs... "If I have to keep breaking t...So many LOLs... "If I have to keep breaking this down for you beyond that, you're not tall enough for the Internet."Patricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09689117454609937247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-86154522377153338012018-04-11T12:55:41.265-07:002018-04-11T12:55:41.265-07:00The funny bit is that nearly every CW epistle I re...The funny bit is that nearly every CW epistle I read makes the assumption of the partitions being smaller than the whole. If we are that stage it would not be inconceivable to end up bigger. How? <br /><br />I would suggest that having reach this stage, Canada would be in even worse shape. They have twice faced a partition charge when the USA was not even thinking about it. Quite possible that in the later stages of the CW as things wind down the Western providences see it to their advantage to become part of the New US. Especially if whatever coalition reaches all the way to the Canadian border. Tucanae Serviceshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11935170696138248693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-79133221092387280402018-04-11T12:18:59.176-07:002018-04-11T12:18:59.176-07:00Huh. Seems like with a lot of the Marines I know, ...Huh. Seems like with a lot of the Marines I know, the lid was put on too tight to remove. Seems most don't come back to thinking until 3x their duty time.<br /><br />Wonder who're the apex parasites in those cultural drivers he mentioned?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-8622818969835445792018-04-11T11:55:43.843-07:002018-04-11T11:55:43.843-07:00Awesome !!!!!!!!Awesome !!!!!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-27155387214806898902018-04-11T11:53:12.306-07:002018-04-11T11:53:12.306-07:00Wow! Well done with precision hits! If CA hadn'...Wow! Well done with precision hits! If CA hadn't disabled comments at WRSA, I was going to bring up my heathen Kentucky/Ohio/Tennessee relatives that would not go along with his self absorbed map, but I would've been nowhere near as brilliant. So, I will add another +1. And furthermore, Richard Pan is an asshole who is simply forcing Californians to travel to Reno/Vegas a lot more, and he should be gone. -Stealth SpanielAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-6213617101267728412018-04-11T11:25:25.076-07:002018-04-11T11:25:25.076-07:00As far as dividing lines go, that's about the ...As far as dividing lines go, that's about the worst I've seen. Montana and Idaho are on the blue side? LolThe Gray Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15098168056466325559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-29623700797116174192018-04-11T11:04:58.220-07:002018-04-11T11:04:58.220-07:00Aesop, since you mentioned you were also in the ov...Aesop, since you mentioned you were also in the over run state of Kali. Have you begun building up you cache of spare parts before California Assembly Bill 2382 is signed? I figure you are on top of this, but a lot of my neighbors aren't aware of it and I'm trying to get them to build up 'spares' kits. Stuck in Fresnonoreply@blogger.com