tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post6372275352425984830..comments2024-03-28T11:58:42.109-07:00Comments on Raconteur Report: Perhaps I Wasn't Clear Enough...Aesophttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-2509320132672387362018-04-14T21:59:33.459-07:002018-04-14T21:59:33.459-07:00"....shall not be infringed."
Yeah. Ri..."....shall not be infringed."<br /><br />Yeah. Righhhhttt. "But, but, but....the CON-stitution says...."<br /><br />Never. Never. Never. Say never.DAN IIIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09474644417015205704noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-89118591754129513412018-04-14T08:33:33.967-07:002018-04-14T08:33:33.967-07:00We have created states out of wilderness, and unse...We have created states out of wilderness, and unsettled territory.<br />We haven't had either of those for over a century.<br /><br />The only other valid example was W. Va. split off from VA, then in rebellion to the nation. Helpfully enforced by a Union Army.<br /><br />Total prospects for anything like Jefferson: less than zero.<br />The idea is, in Daniel Patrick Moynihan's pithy description, simply "boob bait for the Bubbas".Aesophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-19048070530490022502018-04-14T08:03:15.893-07:002018-04-14T08:03:15.893-07:00@Tamaqua
Other examples are:
Maine splitting from ...@Tamaqua<br />Other examples are:<br />Maine splitting from Massachusetts (1820)<br />Vermont created after NY ceded the territory to it (1790)<br />Kentucky created after splitting from VA (1789)<br /><br />I don't think anyone here's arguing the validity or legality of succession, or should we be talking "partition" instead, but rather the possibility of such situation ever occurring.<br />If there's political advantages to the current state legislatures, or financial gain to be had, then Jefferson could become a reality. I just don't know what those gains or advantages would have to be to even start the legislature talking about it.<br /><br />There are other movements all around the country, but I think we should be focusing on the upcoming violence before creating new states; it's much more likely to happen.<br />Ned2 <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-62140160922228709332018-04-14T03:26:11.836-07:002018-04-14T03:26:11.836-07:00I'm with anonymous. I loved the "Blackadd...I'm with anonymous. I loved the "Blackadder" Baldrick reference............taminator013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-33516143350824405812018-04-13T23:09:06.441-07:002018-04-13T23:09:06.441-07:00There is one possibility for splitting Kali, and t...There is one possibility for splitting Kali, and that's if the coasties determine a substantial advantage for themselves to do so. <br /><br />Unfortunately, for various values of "unfortunately," the precursor to that would almost certainly involve levels of civil insurrection carnage to make the Black Death resemble a Sunday school picnic. At which point it would make more sense for the insurrectionists to just Finish The Job and screw negotiating for anything. So, yeah, while it may be "possible" the probability is so close to zero as to be indistinguishable from zero. <br /><br />I figure Kali will be [one of several] state versions of the Ancient Mariner's albatross for as long as there is a United States; NY will split between FNYC and Everything Else eons before anything similar RE: Kali approaches reality. A;iennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-25115376324440583332018-04-13T20:54:19.102-07:002018-04-13T20:54:19.102-07:00Texas joined the U.S. with the stipulation that it...Texas joined the U.S. with the stipulation that it could sub-divide and become as many as 6 "states". (source: James Michener's impeccably researched novel "Texas").<br /><br />But would it ever happen today? Not a chance. A state of Jefferson is an even greater delusional hope.Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05488874925115370046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-44792594817794514992018-04-13T17:19:42.832-07:002018-04-13T17:19:42.832-07:00The only damn way it would happen is the same way ...The only damn way it would happen is the same way it happened during the Civil War when West Virginia was created. That is to say, with bayonets. Shingas the Terriblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11902750515653626298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-5601166485142722972018-04-13T17:17:49.670-07:002018-04-13T17:17:49.670-07:00Just a thought after reading this very lucid, on t...Just a thought after reading this very lucid, on target post: What if the Demo powers-that-be cook up some sort of dope deal with their comrades in the US house and Cal state legislature where they would "allow" a split of Calif in exchange for statehood for Puerto Rico. Crunching numbers seems to show that "Jeff" would garner maybe 2 reps with their 2 senators. However -- PR would get 8 maybe 9 reps plus 2 senators. Especially since the chances are that these reps would come at the expense of smaller red states (to stay in the 435 cap). Since PR is Demo-land this would bump up their numbers advantage as well as Electoral College numbers. A zero sum game in which we get hosed. Thank goodness the dems are innumerate....<br /><br />PS - Yes, I know that PR currently has about 3.5 million which would get them 5 reps, but what will you bet that the dems couldn't push that north to 5, maybe 6 mil with a little "electoral assistance" ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-28997431931260165042018-04-13T16:46:59.913-07:002018-04-13T16:46:59.913-07:00The idea of creating The State Of Jefferson has be...The idea of creating The State Of Jefferson has been around since before WW2. There is no legal reason it could not happen, provisions for such an event does exist in the law. But hell will freeze over before you get both Congress and the commies in the Kali legislature to pass such a resolution. The current push to split Kali into three states is similarly doomed....a pipe dream. The current paradigm serves the needs of too many in power to be allowed to change. A consertive Kali cancels out the weight the current commie Kali wields so the left and their media whore accomplices won't allow such a division to happen. If things change to the point where such a thing could happen the political reality would be those wishing to leave would no longer have a need to do so. Dannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-48476728993429610132018-04-13T16:40:12.636-07:002018-04-13T16:40:12.636-07:00Fair enough. As you wish.
Now I know what I'm...Fair enough. As you wish.<br /><br />Now I know what I'm blogging tomorrow.<br /><br />Glad no feathers were unduly ruffled.<br />I don't know you personally, but the <i>idea</i> of subdividing states is nonsense.Aesophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-73422647707241429342018-04-13T16:05:19.434-07:002018-04-13T16:05:19.434-07:00Being compared to Baldrick was actually a high poi...Being compared to Baldrick was actually a high point in my day! LOL! Thanks for the laugh, even if it was at my expense! I'll go get some turnips now, m'lord ;) <br /> <br />Now... your suggestions for turning California around? Besides waiting on the San Andreas to do it for us? Those I WOULD actually like to hear. If it's not Jefferson, then what? Giving up a single foot to these carpetbagging liberal fuckwits is not an option. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com