tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post4592281408931508696..comments2024-03-28T11:58:42.109-07:00Comments on Raconteur Report: Best PracticesAesophttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comBlogger55125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-83493708196860103242014-11-05T17:45:22.091-08:002014-11-05T17:45:22.091-08:00Thanks! I'm taking notes and trying to figure ...Thanks! I'm taking notes and trying to figure out the next step on a very tight budget :-P <br /><br />As for things collapsing - the electrical grid is a lot more fragile than most people realize. One of the main lines stops sending on power and if the only ones who can fix it are ill/dead/quarantined......<br /><br />It's kinda like the highway - one person screws up/has a bad day and viola! all traffic stopped for miles.<br /><br />DeniseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-55086096210334453442014-11-05T11:23:57.668-08:002014-11-05T11:23:57.668-08:00On the other hand, also based on personal experien...On the other hand, also based on personal experience.<br /><br /><br />Some people have a disaster bring out the best in them.<br /><br />New Yorkers and the nation pulled together after 911.<br /><br />Earthquakes bring neighbors out to share and bbq the food that would otherwise spoil.<br /><br />Hurricanes can bring whole neighborhoods together for cleanup, resource sharing, and to establish security.<br /><br />There are massive outpourings of charity and aid following major disasters.<br /><br />BUT the threat of ebola, horrible death from something you can't even see, carried to you and your family by other people, will probably have the opposite effect. I'm thinking isolation, fragmentation, and retaliation.<br /><br />nickAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-16914354864247007562014-11-05T11:16:55.395-08:002014-11-05T11:16:55.395-08:00begin part two-
So, to cut this wall-o-text short...begin part two-<br /><br />So, to cut this wall-o-text short :-)<br /><br />No one is coming to help you. At least not after the real fun starts, and not for some time. You DO NOT want to go out into the mess if you can avoid it. You NEVER know what sort of local trouble you are walking into. Prep to be self sufficient for as long as you can, given the likely threats in your area.<br /><br />3 days--localized weather disaster, mild earthquake, help is coming from surrounding areas.<br /><br />2 weeks--regional weather disaster, big quake, hurricane, severe flooding, wild fires. Help will need to come from a distance, and will need lots of co-ordinating.<br /><br />3 months--LOSS OF JOB, SUDDEN SICKNESS, other PERSONAL disaster, stock market collapse, large economic events, disease outbreak, national disaster. Effects are widespread, help is local only and very limited. (Or in the case of a personal disaster, no one but you and your close acquaintances even care.)<br /><br />You can start small and build from there. Some good links are posted up thread. Use this time wisely. Use the wakeup call...<br /><br />nickAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-166717780420346382014-11-05T11:15:58.275-08:002014-11-05T11:15:58.275-08:00Hi Percy, thanks for your response. I don't t...Hi Percy, thanks for your response. I don't think that " all or essential parts of our support mechanisms should be expected to break down everywhere and at the same time" due to ebola outbreaks necessarily, but I think a few breakdowns at nearly the same time WOULD cripple us dramatically. As Aesop and others have pointed out, ANY case of ebola takes a significant amount of resources OUT of the local communities. Currently at Duke U, a whole wing is devoted to their patient. How many ambulances and EMTs does your local community have? How many can you do without? Any outbreak of 5 or more is going to terrify most people. And people are going to stay home. Whether to watch their kids, or to avoid their co-workers, that will have a MASSIVE effect on the local economies, and cascading effects on the national economy.<br /><br />After a couple of days, those people are going to be out of food, beer, cigarettes and will find the stores empty. There will be demands that someone DO SOMETHING. But what to do?<br /><br />You said that you don't see why people confined to their homes couldn't be supplied. BY who? With what? There aren't huge piles of food sitting around (see JIT delivery.) There aren't large organized groups just waiting to deliver the food. (as an exercise, think of this as the reverse of garbage collection, and the amount of time, effort and resources that costs. Add in that no one would barricade the garbage trucks or attempt to hijack them, but that will CERTAINLY happen in this case.) Where does the food and water come from? How does it get to where it is needed? Who and how does it even get loaded on trucks? Who decides priorities for distribution? Who provides security for the drivers? Where does the fuel and spare parts come from? WHO PAYS FOR IT ALL?)<br /><br />The army, National Guard, Red Cross, etc all have jobs currently. They all take a relatively long time to get going in a disaster. Their resources aren't unlimited, and are mainly geared toward "filling the gap." And all the doctrine is about help from outside the affected area.<br /><br />Anyway, to address the infrastructure failures. Electricity, needed for almost everything else, needs a constant flow of fuel and parts to the generating stations. If movements are restricted, or people are afraid to travel and congregate, that supply is jeopardized. Locally, infrastructure is often attacked when civil order breaks down. Or it is destroyed by the fires. There are ALWAYS fires.<br /><br />Water. There was a state that recently was going to drain an entire drinking water reservoir because of a video of someone PEEING in it. We're talking about a whole lake! What would happen if an ebola victim was found floating in it? Or an ebola outbreak affected workers there? Or if it was REPORTED that the water wasn't safe to drink? Also, if the power is out, the water won't last long. I saw people fighting over bottled water WHILE FRESH WATER WAS STILL COMING OUT OF THE TAPS! People in crowds are not rational. Scared people are not rational.<br /><br />So, fires burning. Shelves are bare. People are sitting in dark, hot apartments with no light or entertainment. They are afraid and angry. The hungry toddler hasn't stopped crying for 8 hours. People get out of their houses and start roaming the streets. Fun time starts.<br /><br />YOU DON'T WANT TO GO OUT WHEN IT GETS LIKE THIS. Really really do not want to be out in this. Think Reginald Denny. Think of the guy on the parkway in NY. Think of my roommate, jumped and beaten, slashed with a bottle because his skin color made him a convenient target. There is always a lot of "payback" and grudge settling during these breakdowns in order too.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-29390909612953328212014-11-05T08:37:15.755-08:002014-11-05T08:37:15.755-08:00Maryinmt to Percy,
One thing that could happen is...Maryinmt to Percy,<br /><br />One thing that could happen is that hospitals taking care of ebola patients aren't going to be available for people with the flu. That could lead to a massive outbreak with thousands of people not showing up to keep all of our just in time systems going. Or any other disease that comes around in flu season.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-70585593087662722532014-11-05T07:51:30.298-08:002014-11-05T07:51:30.298-08:00Anonymous Nick: I wholly agree with your point abo...Anonymous Nick: I wholly agree with your point about the complex interconnectedness of things that support us. And I am quite aware of the butterfly effect aspect of all this. Still, I do not see why a material increase in Ebola cases here would mean that all or essential parts of our support mechanisms should be expected to break down everywhere and at the same time. That is, I can’t see the hurricane, riot, earthquake, or terrorist attack situations as analogous. Any of your situations — though earthquake and hurricane are quite different from riot and terrorist attack — if severe enough can cut off area X, making entry into or out of X and supply of people within X with anything, except what can be delivered by air, impossible for a while. Not so for Ebola cases. <br /><br />There’s no obvious reason to think that Ebola cases and fear will stop electricity, gas, and water supply, for instance, the way any of your examples might well do (and have in the past done, sometimes for long periods — too long if one is not prepared for such an eventuality, which is why the “best practices” advice Aesop has provided is so valuable). Because I think things generally will limp through depletion of employee resources, fright, and even temporarily poisoned buildings, it is not plain to me why it will prove impossible to supply and take care of non-sick people sheltering in place, as it were. That does not mean medical care or mass transit for the public (as opposed to freight) will be available — I do not think either would be— and maybe I’ve missed other important things, too. Have I? <br /><br /> A few temporarily dead cities and towns, if overwhelmed by Ebola cases, could result , imaginably, but we have an awful lot of those. So, it still seems to me that, and so I hope, very few would have to hit the road, get out of town, go somewhere else, and start relying on all the elaborate, self-sufficient, long-term elements suggested by the “best practices.” But many of those “best practices” make sense for any family facing even a temporary cut-off from of essentials like food, water, and power.Percyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08771215690327580086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-72208205319368967642014-11-05T06:28:34.424-08:002014-11-05T06:28:34.424-08:00Here we went redundancy plus. We have the well wit...Here we went redundancy plus. We have the well with a manual pump. On top of that we have the IBC tote system in place for 2200 gallons for watering the garden in summer. We also have a very large cistern. If all of that were somehow to fail, we're about 1/2 a mile from a year round creek and know how to purify water either through distillation or with chlorine. It's kind of about how far you're willing to go, but I'd say if you're in the suburbs a rainwater barrel or IBC tote would be a good longer term idea.<br /><br />(On first coffee, typing stinks, sorry Aesop). Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-12383469402893083102014-11-05T06:18:36.194-08:002014-11-05T06:18:36.194-08:00IBC totes are awesome, look them up Craigslist and...IBC totes are awesome, look them up Craigslist and make sure they were used for food grade items first.<br /><br />This video shows how one guy set up a massive (1000 gallon) rainwater collection system using them:<br /><br />http://youtu.be/girnk6N1n9QAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-88227199186005777122014-11-04T21:54:29.573-08:002014-11-04T21:54:29.573-08:00Bottled water will always contain : bottled water....Bottled water will always contain : bottled water.<br />It never "goes bad".<br /><br />What does happen, is that chemicals and other things can soak in through the plastic over time. E.g. if you stored your bottled water next to a bin full of onions, you'd have onion-scented water given enough time. Also, nasty chemicals can get into it, so you shouldn't store drinking water near petrochemicals like gasoline, cleaning compounds, or anything else like that.<br /><br />It will also go "flat" as dissolved oxygen percolates out of the water. The solution for that is, when you're about to actually drink it, pour it back and forth between a couple of containers, and/or leave half in the bottle, and shake it vigorously with the cap on, which will restore some of the oxygen to the water, and make it taste more normal.<br />Or, you can just use it up after a year or less, and replace it with new stock.<br /><br />It's also best to store it in the dark, as light, esp. sunlight, can cause algae and other critters not completely killed off to flourish in stored water. The UV will also degrade the plastic bottles over time.<br /><br />As far as water being "purified", sometimes that simply amounts to having been chlorinated to kill germs, then having the chlorine filtered out, so all you're getting is bottled tap water.<br /><br />If it's drinkable, that's really all that matters, so I wouldn't spend a lot of time or money getting shishi fancy water, unless there's a brand that tastes better to you than the others.<br /><br />Once again, against the day when H2O is the main menu beverage, I advise also storing flavored drink additives for taste and variety, to break the monotony.<br /><br />Welcome to the getting ready just in case club.Aesophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-7645375346796166452014-11-04T21:49:28.487-08:002014-11-04T21:49:28.487-08:00Hi Denise, bottled water has an expiration date on...Hi Denise, bottled water has an expiration date on it, but like most dates, it is a guideline. <br /><br />Some bottled water will change taste after a while, and some bottles will degrade. The 'milky' plastic ones seem to degrade the fastest. Some will allow contaminates in as they are not really sealed well.<br /><br />Bottled is great for convenience, but not for long term prepping. It is hard to store enough in small sizes for cooking, hygiene, etc. You do a lot more with water than drink it :-)<br /><br />After a hurricane left us without city water for 3 days, I re-thought my storage needs. I had filled the bathtub for flushing water (your toilet will flush if you add water to the bowl) and had water in 7 gal. jugs. I had enough to drink and cook, but got real nervous and started bringing 5 gal. buckets from across town where the water was still working. Now I have 90gal of drinking in stainless barrels, and an additional 125 gal that would need treatment in a rainwater system.<br /><br />There are specialized large tanks that are designed for prepping, there are 40 and 55 gal drums that make good storage too. Look at aquatainer and waterbrick for small size (3.5-7 gal) solutions. A google of stackable water storage will get you a wide range of options. If you are DIY, old water heaters work, as do rainbarrels, and kiddie pools. <br /><br />Good luck on your journey. Get the panic out of the way, and then build on that base. It is a fantastic feeling to know that you have <i>resources</i> if you need them, and great peace of mind to have them even if you don't.<br /><br />nickAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-7757869225432975152014-11-04T21:08:50.433-08:002014-11-04T21:08:50.433-08:00Water question.
If you buy bottled water, how long...Water question.<br />If you buy bottled water, how long does it last? Does it matter if it is "purified" or the various stuff that is claimed on bottled water?<br /><br />Thanks<br /><br />Denise - new to prepping, all help appreciated!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-54054848359380996792014-11-04T17:16:53.024-08:002014-11-04T17:16:53.024-08:00Andrew - have you tried an on-line pharmacy? Resul...Andrew - have you tried an on-line pharmacy? Results are iffy, but if you can use Armour thyroid (extract from pigs) they can usually deliver.tweellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08164718561825615886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-78084473845187430292014-11-04T13:57:22.052-08:002014-11-04T13:57:22.052-08:00Every 2-5 days in this outbreak.
So yeah, pretty m...Every 2-5 days in this outbreak.<br />So yeah, pretty much "whenever."<br /><br />Added to which all three countries operate on the equatorial African version of "island time": "we'll get you that report when you get it."<br />And then factor in literacy/numeracy rates that make Appalachia look like Oxford and Harvard, if not MIT and Caltech.<br /><br />That's why the numbers blow: everyone knows they're crapola, but they also know they're the only numbers we've got, or will get.Aesophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-59357577501140528292014-11-04T13:11:59.743-08:002014-11-04T13:11:59.743-08:00Does the WHO update numbers on a regular schedule,...Does the WHO update numbers on a regular schedule, or just whenever?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-23733773292581089722014-11-04T12:54:29.271-08:002014-11-04T12:54:29.271-08:00Farm, and then have some sort of food dehydrator a...Farm, and then have some sort of food dehydrator and know how to can goods as well. Maybe even a root cellar. That way on bad crop years you're not going to starve, but you're not reliant only upon canned goods long term. If a total societal collapse were to happen, you'd be best off knowing agriculture and how to preserve foods. You know, like they knew how to do until 100 years ago. <br /><br />Rocket stoves can be built with four concrete cylinder blocks in a pinch. <br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmDYUrVHPWc<br /><br />I do like the BioLite stoves though. <br /><br />If you have a well, have a manual pump put in. Have your septic checked out now, but in the future if you still want to be civilized there's nothing wrong with a composting toilet - just don't use THAT compost on your food. It's also a way to save fresh water supplies - otherwise, use your shower water and a bucket to flush. Passive hot water solar heaters are a good way to keep up some semblance of civilization also, at least for a long while. <br /><br />There's so much out there to learn and know, but with enough time everyone can sort this stuff out. :) Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-5195368818697743922014-11-04T12:39:47.367-08:002014-11-04T12:39:47.367-08:00@Anonymous 8:47,
As tweel noted with that link, th...@Anonymous 8:47,<br />As tweel noted with that link, the Katadyn Desalinator (for seawater/brackish coastal water) is not the same thing as their Pocket Microfilter (for fresh but contaminated water).<br />They are separate products, for separate purposes, and not interchangeable.<br /><br />And yes, solar distillation is the best way to go, IF you have a place you can build one, and maintain it.<br /><br />Also, thanks to the Anonymous islander @2:16 for the tropical menu. But not storing food is a great way to starve when a typhoon/hurricane wipes out your crops, as pretty much every dead civilization would attest.<br />That's a harsh penalty lesson for grasshoppers since my namesake's time.Aesophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-1470932892717655022014-11-04T12:32:54.468-08:002014-11-04T12:32:54.468-08:00For those who keep pointing out that "AP agre...For those who keep pointing out that "AP agrees not to cover suspected Ebola cases...etc.,<br />that may be, or it may not be.<br /><br />It wouldn't particularly surprise me either way.<br /><br />But at this point, the only source for that tidbit is the one lone citation by one Forbes writer, and people repeating it.<br /><br />It is therefore nothing but unsubstantiated rumor until proven otherwise.<br />And AP isn't the only news source on the internet.Aesophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-86220546505764568762014-11-04T11:17:49.782-08:002014-11-04T11:17:49.782-08:00Sucks to be me. I've only got so much Synthro...Sucks to be me. I've only got so much Synthroid and I kind of need it to live. Been saving up an emergency stash, but none of my Thyroid Cancer doctors gave me more than a blank stare when I asked "what if I run out". The answer was, "well, why would you run out?"<br /><br />Off topic, I know. Answer I got when I put it to a "Lost" tv show type scenario was, maybe a year, but maybe not.Andrewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-4494682911570376132014-11-04T10:41:55.652-08:002014-11-04T10:41:55.652-08:00Hi Percy,
You are wrong about most things contin...Hi Percy, <br /><br />You are wrong about most things continuing, and possibly about most people going to work.<br /><br />Most stores, gas stations, and other providers have 1-3 days stock on hand. The rest is delivered "just in time." This means that ANY surge in buying will quickly empty the shelves. The regional distribution centers only have a few days supply on hand themselves. The rest is still at the factories, or in transit. Any surge in demand will take days to weeks to recover from. ANY disruption in transit will break that system. Quarantines, vehicle inspections, closed ports, movement restrictions, or truckers simply refusing to drive will mean in 3 days people start to go hungry.<br /><br />Here in hurricane country we see this every couple of years. We only recover because of a massive staging area and effort outside the disaster zone. There won't be any "outside" area if things get bad.<br /><br />Also, any disruption in electrical or internet infrastructure will cause problems. Gas pumps won't run, cash registers don't work, EBT cards are just pieces of plastic, freezers thaw, etc.<br /><br />Fires in substations, opportunistic attacks or simple vandalism, worker shortage, all could cause disruptions.<br /><br />For some official numbers and scenarios about people going to work, read thru the CDC stuff on pandemic flu. They expect about 40% absenteeism if I recall correctly. <br /><br />During civil unrest, the cops will NOT be coming to your aid.<br /><br />During widespread panic, fire and EMS will NOT be responding.<br /><br />I have first hand experience with those during riot, hurricane, earthquake, and terror attack. YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN, for at least 72 hours in a NORMAL disaster, where aid will be mobilized and be coming in from outside. Ebola outbreak is not a normal disaster as there is very little area guaranteed to be 'outside' the affected area. Particularly when it is widespread. And aid workers can not bring 'hurricane' back with them to their home area, so that possibility will complicate recovery efforts.<br /><br />Our just in time, lean, interconnected world is a complex web of interdependent things, any one of which can monkey wrench the whole works. Just look in your fridge. The food came by truck and boat from mexico and chile, vietnam and china. The packaging was printed in china and shipped to the processor. The farmer shipped his food to the processor. The processor shipped to distributors, who in turn shipped to stores. At every step, there are transportation services that need fuel and people, and especially communications and IT services. Every step assumes there are banking systems, credit letters, customs clearing officers,propane and spare forklift parts, and a myriad of other stuff all working together.<br /><br /><br />It really doesn't take much to cause ripple effects and cascade failures in systems like that. In all previous cases we had folks standing by, outside the problem, to help. There may not be an "outside" this time.<br /><br />Start prepping while there is still time, while you don't have to wonder if UPS will deliver. <br /><br />nick<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-36043152653889181892014-11-04T10:19:21.163-08:002014-11-04T10:19:21.163-08:00My three books:
The Bible
The Foxfire Book
The Kn...My three books:<br /><br />The Bible<br />The Foxfire Book<br />The Knowledge: How to Rebuild Our World from Scratchtweellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08164718561825615886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-71611793617129762732014-11-04T09:54:18.965-08:002014-11-04T09:54:18.965-08:00A sunnier, long, perhaps naïve outlook:
The thesi...A sunnier, long, perhaps naïve outlook:<br /><br />The thesis underlying your excellent best practices recommendations seems to be that, with the anticipated growth of Ebola cases here, all of our basic social infrastructure elements will fail. By this I mean that food and energy supplies and availability to households, law and order (police), the mails, communications systems (phone and TV), and normal commerce (ability to buy goods) would no longer function. Why not? <br /><br />Even in a very severe case, involving a substantial minority of our people (like, say, 3, 4 or even 5 out of every 10 Americans), it’s hard to see why, as a result, everything around us would just stop. This is not the same, after all, as preparing for a nuclear attack on one’s local city. (In the case of Ebola, even if everyone in, say, New York City were to die of it, it would be safe shortly after the last to fall to go back in there. Messy until completion of the cleanup, but safe.) <br /><br />Access to and use of hospitals, doctors, and most healthcare providers, of course, would become scarce or non-existent. Those who provide these services are at the spear tip of any spreading disease scenario, and would be unable to defend themselves adequately against this one. So those who provide and consume these services would figure out quickly how to stay home rather than go to work or to get treated. Mass transit probably would suffer a similar fate, and restaurants and fast food places might not be far behind. Workers would have trouble getting to work absent mass transit, so the products and services provided by their workplaces would degrade, but not enough to stop them altogether. Loss of mass transit need not stop or even severely disrupt coal, oil, energy, communications, and food deliveries or police work. <br /><br />Could there be severe local disruptions? Sure, but for how long? And how many localities would be affected? The businesses and local governments that supply us and bill and collect from us for their services now are not just going to cease operations everywhere. Workers are not going to stop working, except where they can’t get there and in high-risk jobs (could include all repetitive person-to-person physical interaction jobs). Will people stop using elevators? Not if one is gloved and no one else is in the thing. <br /><br />Best practices still would seem to require means of isolating, feeding, and otherwise talking care of one’s self and one’s family, along the lines you’ve suggested. But probably but not for very long. Just for as long as it takes to sort the living from the dying and the dead (among whom the stupid, the too brave and kind, and the unlucky will be numbered). A few weeks, say, as means of picking up and getting rid of bodies and marking places (whole buildings) as unsafe to approach for X weeks after a date are devised and implemented. <br /><br />Does one have to hit the road? Depends on how many bodies are piling up. One here or there on the street is probably not (just stay the hell away from them and from anyone who’s not smart enough to do the same). Lots of bodies, different answer. If sheltering in place, start using lots of bleach on things and wearing protective gloves when you go out. Do not go to hospitals or get on a plane, bus or train. And good luck!Percyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08771215690327580086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-72108197529780923172014-11-04T09:38:24.123-08:002014-11-04T09:38:24.123-08:00If you or someone you love is on a prescription me...If you or someone you love is on a prescription med, get extra. Better yet, if it is possible, work to get off the med. Have at least 1 extra pair of glasses. If you have been putting off dental work, get it done now. If you are on a special diet, do your own canning to avoid ingredients that could make you ill during an already stressful event. Home canning is easy and quite safe if instructions are followed.<br />BonnieAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-83886045729693091712014-11-04T09:37:38.879-08:002014-11-04T09:37:38.879-08:00There's a Katadyn liferaft RO filter system fo...There's a Katadyn liferaft RO filter system for getting drinking water from seawater.<br />http://www.amazon.com/Katadyn-8013418-Survivor-06-Desalinator/dp/B000F395X0<br />It's expensive and needs regular maintenance if used.<br /><br />You can also buy or make a solar still. Those usually don't produce much water, so expect to need a few of them. These also require regular cleaning. Never let your solar still run dry - brine is much easier to deal with than scale.<br /><br />Getting drinking water from seawater is difficult, so is usually a last resort. We prefer to have nature distill it for us!tweellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08164718561825615886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-70518882017906857922014-11-04T08:47:10.045-08:002014-11-04T08:47:10.045-08:00Aesop,
Living near the Gulf, where we have a lim...Aesop,<br /><br /> Living near the Gulf, where we have a limitless supply of water to go fetch with a bucket if necessary, I am interested in an affordable desalinator. But I looked up the Katadyn Pocket Microfilter on Amazon, and in the Q&A's they state that it can't be used for seawater. Are they wrong?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-75830496201554720322014-11-04T07:41:31.951-08:002014-11-04T07:41:31.951-08:00Here's a best practice that it seems large por...Here's a best practice that it seems large portions of the world CAN'T recognize:<br /><br />In the middle of an ebola epidemic STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM OTHER PEOPLE'S BODILY FLUIDS.<br /><br />[graphic pictures of bleeding kids]<br /><br />"This Shi'ite Muslim child had his head gashed [on purpose] during a procession ahead of Ashura in Mumbai, India.<br /><br /><br /><br />Other Shi'ites were seen drenched in blood during the processions in India, Iraq, Lebanon and Afghanistan."<br /><br /><br />http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2819307/Screaming-fear-moment-small-boy-gash-cut-head-Muslim-ceremony-commemorating-death-Prophet-s-grandson.html<br /><br /><br />Wow, that's all I can say. Wow.<br /><br /><br />nickAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com