tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post2207814923576633021..comments2024-03-28T11:58:42.109-07:00Comments on Raconteur Report: What We Know, vs. What We're ToldAesophttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-37767484648892216512017-10-06T09:55:49.997-07:002017-10-06T09:55:49.997-07:00http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/image...http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user245717/imageroot/2017/09/11/2017.10.03gunsone_0.JPG look at the muzzle device. large ports, compensation for the bump fire stock. i have seen no muzzle flashes in any of the videos. from my experience large ports equals med too large flashes. i can see a strobe on the 4th floor but zero movement (curtians) and zero flashes in his rooms area while full auto fire is heard on the audio. Aesop, if you get chance live leak has some footage of a guy doing triage on the field. many code blacks. one is frontal headshot thru and thru, look to be csf, aganal. just sad, the avg people that have zero experience with this type of stuff are going to be messed up. being an a guy with training i wish i was there to help. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-21555806248784480752017-10-05T09:39:12.191-07:002017-10-05T09:39:12.191-07:00the guy in the room below the shooter said things ...the guy in the room below the shooter said things were falling from the room, glass or brass casings? i also want to know why i have not seen any video of the room lighting up like a Christmas tree with full auto fire. flash suppressor or not, back away from the window, possible at that angle? his room should have been lit up. maybe i have missed it. it was a dark back stop and a small strobe light was more visible than his full auto fire. as for the ammonium nitrate/tannerite, he had 50lbs of it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-52605604752897883172017-10-05T06:58:54.738-07:002017-10-05T06:58:54.738-07:00Somebody else brought this up. Where's all the...Somebody else brought this up. Where's all the brass? I know, from previous experience in 'Nam that stuff piles up quick.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-19910277908730791662017-10-05T05:18:51.276-07:002017-10-05T05:18:51.276-07:00The actual event is never going to make sense, and...The actual event is never going to make sense, and that in itself make sense. The official explanation, however, needs to make sense, and that makes even less sense than the event itself.The Gray Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15098168056466325559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-66630417353334324732017-10-05T05:15:29.767-07:002017-10-05T05:15:29.767-07:00Cops and other officials NEVER speak plainly. They...Cops and other officials NEVER speak plainly. They always speak in bizarre patterns and phrases.The Gray Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15098168056466325559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-4617459191520026792017-10-05T05:12:45.728-07:002017-10-05T05:12:45.728-07:00Casinos are JAM PACKED with surveillance cameras. ...Casinos are JAM PACKED with surveillance cameras. We need to see that footage in order to get even a shred of truth about what's happening.The Gray Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15098168056466325559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-38692525706253929192017-10-05T00:57:28.896-07:002017-10-05T00:57:28.896-07:00I doubt we'll ever find out, or at least never...I doubt we'll ever find out, or at least never be told the truth, but how was the door to Paddocks' suite "barricaded"? If "screwed shut from inside" that precludes anyone from leaving the suite that way, but is the construction of the hotel such that it's possible to get into an adjacent room, either horizontally or vertically? Paddock did rent an adjacent suite - the one the door of which was directly opposite the stairwell door - was that door similarly "barricaded," and/or did Paddock have some sort of access to that suite from the end suite? <br /><br />If there were other parties, they didn't have to get to the stairwell to escape, they could have just gone into a different room on that floor and pretended to be a regular guest. I'd think either hotel video, or Paddock's video, would show that movement.Normannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-43017868098510513212017-10-05T00:02:08.692-07:002017-10-05T00:02:08.692-07:00"'We would not have engaged this individu..."'We would not have engaged this individual in the time lapse we did without their assistance,' Lombardo later added."<br /><br />What language is this? Somebody please translate to English?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-21873790891258071992017-10-04T22:24:44.761-07:002017-10-04T22:24:44.761-07:00From the briefing: No recording/stored images. H...From the briefing: No recording/stored images. He viewed on a "baby monitor" (single?). Welcome Black Carterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18311773931685321294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-72714199062514158702017-10-04T19:59:47.996-07:002017-10-04T19:59:47.996-07:00If Paddock had his own set of cameras trained on t...If Paddock had his own set of cameras trained on the halls approaching the room and through the entry door. 1. What was he viewing the incoming imagery on? 2. Where are those cameras now? 3. Was there stored images on these cameras? The cameras could also be used for checking whether others exited the room before SWAT got on scene.Edsssnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-76744828717894123692017-10-04T17:36:28.830-07:002017-10-04T17:36:28.830-07:00From Lombardo at the afternoon press conference go...From Lombardo at the afternoon press conference going on right now. "you know from the past that we are not going to give out everything we know, and possibly tip off someone we are looking for.........."<br /><br />Is Joe telling us they know there was another shooter? Who knows.Cavalryman40https://www.blogger.com/profile/01946395375549618026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-51809890780931365942017-10-04T17:35:19.647-07:002017-10-04T17:35:19.647-07:00It is known that spree shooters tend to self selec...<i>It is known that spree shooters tend to self select when they face opposition. It is not surprising in the least that he killed himself once LEO showed up outside his door.</i><br /><br />Good point, but utterly irrelevant.<br />A guy who meticulously plans mass murder for weeks to months, and takes days to load in and prep it, going to the length of securing the emergency stairwell, and rig camera surveillance of all normal approaches to his sniper roost, is the utter antithesis of a "spree shooter", by any sane definition of the term.<br /><br />You're not comparing apples to oranges, so much as comparing houseflies to houses.Aesophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-62318779704555362112017-10-04T17:33:29.915-07:002017-10-04T17:33:29.915-07:00So Paddock is willing to shoot one unarmed hotel s...So Paddock is willing to shoot one unarmed hotel security guard, but not take on a armed SWAT team that is making entry? Doesn't make sense. <br /><br />Of course after shooting said guard he decides the game is up, and shoots himself? No. It really doesn't make sense. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-32942332507347130252017-10-04T17:21:52.732-07:002017-10-04T17:21:52.732-07:00It is known that spree shooters tend to self selec...It is known that spree shooters tend to self select when they face opposition. It is not surprising in the least that he killed himself once LEO showed up outside his door. As to the door to the room, dick head had screwed the door to the frame, some how. You are not going to kick or ram open a door secured like that.<br /><br />Apparently the fumes from firing set off the smoke detector, so that is why the guard was there. Why he tried to open the door on an active shooter with a rifle only he knows.Unknownsailorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10384464603647986681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-5676518724698905442017-10-04T17:09:18.128-07:002017-10-04T17:09:18.128-07:00" on his quest to find the source of the gunf..." on his quest to find the source of the gunfire that was killing dozens below. The door to the room itself was also barricaded, Campos found when he tried to open it, just before the bullets came through the door."<br /><br />I have issues with both sentences.<br /><br />" on his quest to find the source of the gunfire that was killing dozens below." The other report, and much more likely report, was that the UNARMED, SINGLE GUARD was checking out the source of the SMOKE ALARM. You don't send one unarmed guard looking for a shooter. You do send him to see what dumbass has set off the smoke detector in his $700/night suite.<br /><br /><br /><br />"door to the room itself was also barricaded, Campos found when he tried to open it"<br /><br />This is narrative shaping thru word choice. Hotel security found the door LOCKED, and possibly with the dead bolt device engaged, is much more likely than a pile of furniture behind the door. Hotel security would have KNOCKED, and getting no response, would have master keyed the door open. Esp. if the shooter was interested in opening that door and shooting at anyone arriving later. At what point was he shot? After knocking? Identifying himself? Masterkeying the door open? The word "barricaded" evokes a lot of images and speaks to mental state...<br /><br />nAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-47119539544303568122017-10-04T16:36:58.019-07:002017-10-04T16:36:58.019-07:00Plenty of time and confusion for the perps to make...Plenty of time and confusion for the perps to make an exit. And leave the patsy with a ventilated skull in the room to slow the cops down.Cavalryman40https://www.blogger.com/profile/01946395375549618026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-59328690529249498642017-10-04T16:33:25.443-07:002017-10-04T16:33:25.443-07:00Just goes to show, that in this country with a few...Just goes to show, that in this country with a few million trained veterans and millions more people who have firearms, just how easy it would be if just a 500 determined people decided to, they could literally shut this country down. Imagine this happening in 100 cites at the same time? Cavalryman40https://www.blogger.com/profile/01946395375549618026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-86474110012467024762017-10-04T16:28:33.748-07:002017-10-04T16:28:33.748-07:00Sorry, have to add, this was like some kind of mov...Sorry, have to add, this was like some kind of movie, Chuck Norris Invasion USA or something like that. Gun fire being reported everywhere. Alarms going off everywhere. Ever been in a situation where shit is coming at you from all directions and you just have to stop what you are doing and process it all before you take action? I think that is probably what was going on at metro that night. They have never had anything like this. Actually I am kind of surprised they got up there as fast as they did. Kudos to them for getting their shit together. I wish I had some way to upload some photos, you could see just how crazy it was.Cavalryman40https://www.blogger.com/profile/01946395375549618026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-8562454739202636402017-10-04T16:12:55.264-07:002017-10-04T16:12:55.264-07:00Oh, and to further add to the confusion McCarren A...Oh, and to further add to the confusion McCarren Airport, right next door, is the GA side of the field. Corporate Aviation Departments, the fleeing concert goers were scaling fences, breaking into hangers, taking equipment out on the ramp, and even running across active runways at one of the busiest airports in the country to get away from the gunfire. Alarms were going off everywhere. Mass confusion.Cavalryman40https://www.blogger.com/profile/01946395375549618026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-17803086224474311092017-10-04T16:10:12.262-07:002017-10-04T16:10:12.262-07:00Maybe they noticed (as you showed earlier) that wi...Maybe they noticed (as you showed earlier) that with the stairs blocked, the trip up the hall would have left them significantly exposed, and vulnerable to significant overwhelming firepower. Since they likely had eyes on thar hallway from the casino security office, they knew anyone in the room couldn't leave unnoticed, so they spent a bit longer figuring out how to get in w/o getting very dead. We're still inside 72 hours, and should presume most if not everything coming out of the media is conjecture, wrong, or both. It's a damn casino, and they have cameras everywhere. So either we'll get a complete play-by-play that lines up with reality, or the MSM and investigating agencies will show their ass. I agree that there's a lot of WTF?!? generated by the current talking points, but we're still too close to have a good filter for the BS yet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-714028479313834812.post-52665247833703954212017-10-04T16:06:03.244-07:002017-10-04T16:06:03.244-07:00During the shooting, there were reports of gunfire...During the shooting, there were reports of gunfire at the Luxor, MGM, Aria, Tropicana, and I believe New York New York. Mass confusion, no saying there was any gunfire at any of these other properties, I am just saying panicked people heard the gun fire, and called it in all over. LVMPD was all over the southern end of the strip, and units were coming from other parts of town. Lombardo has said the SWAT team that entered Mandaly Bay was not the regular SWAT team. It was a hastily put together team made up of some SWAT officers, Patrol Officers and K-9 units. In other words metro was going 90 directions at once, and I am not sure they knew where in fact the actual shooters were. Remember they were getting calls they were everywhere. Mandaly Bay was just one place on the list. So I am not surprised it took some time to get them up there. They had to figure out where, get some people to form a team, gear up, and make a plan. I think that explains the delay. Cavalryman40https://www.blogger.com/profile/01946395375549618026noreply@blogger.com